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[–] individual@toast.ooo 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

he can't remember because he never existed

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He probably existed and if he did was most likely a great speaker but his stories are at least massively embellished.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It is generally accepted that there was a person that the stories of Jesus were based off of that existed at that time. He has as much (if not more) evidence of his existence as most historical figures from around that era. If we decided that he didn't have enough evidence, we would have to erase the vast majority of ancient history.

Now, that doesn't mean that stories of his miracles are accepted as historical. Those are still a matter of faith.

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is next to no evidence of Jesus Christ unless you count Christian sources, which have a bit of a bias.

The Romans for example were big on book keeping, yet no mention of Jesus can be found.

The existence of Jesus is possible, but far from certain - of course that's something Christians don't like to hear and the Christian church actively fights.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure what you'd expect to find? 2000 year old court records from an outlying province? A long form birth certificate? His tax returns?

[–] individual@toast.ooo 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean that's kinda the point

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In that case there are tons of historical figures that should be assumed to have not existed. If we had such high standards we would have to erase most of our ancient history as rumor.

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

A lot of historical figures get mentioned by contemporary writing of that period- the more important that person is the more information can generally be found. Yet Jesus who, even if you ignore the miracles, should have been an important spiritual leader wasn't mentioned.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You really think that after 2000 years that would have survived? How long do you think papyrus lasts? And where would they have stored? The middle east is well known to be geopolitically stable

[–] individual@toast.ooo 1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean this is all supporting my point