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Signal's privacy and security are great, but being a centralized app makes it vulnerable. Element explains to TechRadar why we do need decentralized apps more than ever.

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[–] Scoopta@programming.dev 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This has always been a huge problem I have with signal. It's open source but it's not open infrastructure

[–] dwindling7373@feddit.it 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So is any other frictionless messaging app, so...

Wake me (or rather the other people out there) up when federated doesn't mean worse than centralized.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 27 points 4 days ago

When Reddit was down, most (all?) Lemmy and Piefed instances were still up. Aside from the number of users currently on the platform, I don't see any significant ways that Lemmy is worse for the average user than Reddit.

Federation is less friction imo. If you want to message someone who has a signal account, you have the friction of making yet another account to message them. If you then want to message someone who uses whatsapp, you need to make yet another account to message them. Etc, etc. That seems far worse than the awkwardness of trying to interact with microblog activitypub platforms within threadiverse activitypub platforms. Granted, you still have multiple federation standards (ie: email, activitypub, matrix) that don't directly interact at all (although that might be for the best).

With federated platforms, you can message anyone using the same federation standard. Unfortunately, there's more than one, so you need an email address to message anyone else who uses email regardless of whether they're icloud or google or aol or self-host. But you can't email someone using activitypub or matrix directly. And even within activitypub, its far from seamless to interact between different parts (piefed/mbin/lemmy all work pretty well together, but interactions between more different parts because more awkward).

[–] 9limmer@lemmy.zip 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is why folks use Matrix. But it still needs a lot of work.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But it still needs a lot of work.

And that’s why folks use Signal.

It’s the most accessible privacy-friendly option. IMO we should be pushing for both things. Signal to implement decentralized infrastructure and at the same time improve existing apps like Matrix.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

I'm using SimpleX with my family, to see if it's any good and I think it's pretty ok :-)

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Element X got better recently, with space and thread support

[–] 9limmer@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Has it been pushed out yet? I've been waiting for this since seeing it in original Element.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 3 points 4 days ago

Both are working, the features are "experimental" (you enable them in the settings) but they work