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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Is there anyone arguing against dinosaurs being birds anymore? This was still a relatively new thought to the general public when Jurassic Park came out, but IIRC, it was pretty well accepted among paleontologists even back then. More people try to badly argue that Pluto is a planet than try to say dinosaurs aren't birds.

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 15 points 6 days ago

This is the other way around. There are some who want to push back the definition of "bird" to include more dinosaurs via earlier divergence. There are even a few that argue that certain conventially non-avian dinosaurs are actually from the agreed bird lineage but converged back on a bipedal dinosaur shape.

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Is it not the other way around? Birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I believe that, nowadays, it is generally accepted that dinosaurs, crocodilians and birds are all "archosaurs". In a similar way to how Australopithecus, Humans and Chimpanzees are all "hominids".

[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 1 points 6 days ago

All the remaining dinosaurs are birds though...

[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You do see it sometimes, where people complain that dinosaurs are no longer fearsome giant lizards because we found out that they might have feathers and aren't SUV height, on social media and places.

It generally becomes obvious that they have never met a goose, chicken, or been at risk of swooping before.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago

I know of such a man. Makes a convincing argument too, that I'll be wholly unable to properly articulate, but my dumbed down understanding is that (in addition to other things) the "feathers" could be decomposed collagenous fibers from the skin of dinosaurs rather than true feathers, and we're not actually sure even though feathers are the pushed theory. And he also doesn't believe in flight evolving ground up, but rather trees down, basically not from creatures jumping away from predators but from them gliding away to another tree. His theory being that one actually works well to get you away from predators while the other would be less likely to be successful and more likely to get eaten before passing on the genes. Also something about the Yi qi.

Idk if he's right, but tbf idk if the other people are either, who knows.

[–] beneeney@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)