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It's very convenient that the explanation for a complex series of problems is reducible to just 'capitalism'. Isn't it like saying WWI only started because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?
You sound like someone who's on the winning side of capitalism and you can't comprehend how capitalism is making most people suffer.
He doesn't have to be on the winning side as long as the capitalists (that own all the news media) can convince him that he is.
It feels really gaslighting/dismissive to read things like this. Why is it that people who talk about concepts like capitalism assume a bunch of information about you based on a complete lack of information? Is the idea the only reason I'm not anti capitalist must either be because a) I'm rich (extremely far from the truth), or b) I'm especially susceptible to propaganda? (Which would be weird... Otherwise why would I be using Lemmy in the first place when perhaps capitalism instead suggests I should be using Reddit).
My opinion: It kind of sucks to reduce people down like this lol. Am I insane for thinking this
And you sound like someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly about people and you can't comprehend someone not having a reductionist take on generalised human suffering.
I don't think anyone here is denying people suffer from capitalism, i think they're just saying capitalism is a factor rather than the only cause, similar to how the Archduke's assassination was a factor among many in starting WW1.
This is Lemmy, where if you even hint at saying "It's not just Capitalism", you'll be downvoted into oblivion.
Don't you know how happy everyone has always been under communist and socialist governments? Not a single sad soul to be seen under those establishments! /s
Its literally the plot of the Good Place, there is no ethical and moral consumption under capitalism. We need a well regulated economy if we want the middle class to grow again, still not ethical but it would put food in my stomach.
I'm glad we agree capitalism has problems
Alright, here's your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War?
Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists, economic factors, both domestic and international-
Hey, hey!
Yeah?
Just say slavery.
Slavery it is, sir.
Ah yes, "the" civil war.
The civil war has a clearly dominant causal factor that historians overwhelmingly agree upon. Modern socio economic issues don’t have that same level of single cause consensus. That’s why boiling everything down to 'capitalism' is overly reductive
This is how consensus starts
At least you’re honest about pushing a narrative rather than engaging with evidence
? In 200 years most of the other details you're imagining will be considered irrelevant
So the evidence doesn’t exist yet, but you’ve decided the conclusion anyway. That’s exactly the problem I’m pointing out. This is what MAGA does btw
It does, there's just not a consensus yet.
Gee I wonder if spending days in the weeds with this guy will go anywhere. Oops that's deflecting!
Can I see the evidence? inb4 you deflect and refuse to cite anything