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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 17 points 4 days ago (5 children)

There's a little text with more details at the SF Chronicle: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/stun-grenade-immigration-21116379.php

Agents also used a special gun to fire at least one pepper-spray round at a protester on Thursday morning, the Chronicle reported, striking him in the chin and sending him to an emergency room. A photo captured by the newspaper showed the man’s face and left shoulder covered in orange or yellow powder.

Image Caption: Jorge Bautista, a clergyman with the United Church of Christ, reacts after he was hit in the face by a pepper round from a federal agent as protesters blocked the entrance to Coast Guard Island Alameda, where they were sent to as a staging area for an immigration crackdown, on Thursday, Oct. 23, 2025. Stephen Lam/S.F. Chronicle

Law enforcement agents typically use pepper-spray balls and other "less-lethal" projectiles for crowd control. The projectiles are hard, plastic spheres designed to burst upon impact, releasing a cloud of powdered chemical irritants. Agents typically shoot them at the ground or at walls, not people.
It was unclear which device and brand Border Patrol agents used against protesters on Thursday.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (4 children)

this is fucking bullshit, these 'less than lethal' weapons should never be aimed at people this close, and never at the head. fucking bonkers. These suckass temo nazies have zero ROE. They're trying to incite a violent response to their shit.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They're also being disingenuous about less lethal, that's a 40mm or 1.5" projectile moving like 300fps. Even the sponge rounds are marketed as potentially lethal under 10meters.

The 40mm Direct Impact® Round will prove most successful for incapacitation when used within their optimal energy range of approximately 5–40 meters, although it may used in situations from 2–50 meters. Extensive testing was done on the Direct Impact® Round to ensure that the round is less-lethal when fired within the optimal energy range and at the large muscle groups of the buttocks, thigh, and knees. These areas provide sufficient pain stimulus, while greatly reducing serious or life-threatening injuries.

https://www.chemicalweaponsresearch.com/munitions/direct_impact_40mm_oc/files/spec_sheet.pdf

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

it's fucking gross. these fucks obviously have zero training / roe / accountability and are trying to incite riots.

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