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ATCs should be striking right now. We don't need air travel. Shut down the skies and the Orange Reich will suffer.
How the fuck is that even considered a strike?
If I don't pay my mechanic, and they refuse to fix my car, is that a strike?
If it isn't illegal to not work when you aren't paid, that just a form of slavery
They've done that. Reagan fired all of them, which was kinda insane.
That doesn't stop them from doing it again. Striking always carries the risk of being fired
being furloughed is essentially bein unemployed right now anyways, no harm in quitting or taking LOA.
This is a cringe and tone deaf response
How?
Strike. Get fired. Replaced
0 change made
That's why you organise.
They're not gonna be able to fire all of you, and won't be able to replace you if you get sympathy strikes from the military atc, and/or pilots, and/or mechanics, etc.
Maybe it could work then, but at the moment it would be juvenile to do so
Replaced by who? How fast?
The original comment that was being replied to was noting how that was done in the Reagan era—all were fired and replaced with military ones till replacements were gotten.
Ya but Reagan's white house was at least competent. This white house can't even do construct without fucking up. The number of people that will end up dead because this administration will rush people into a very serious job.
Eh, the world is a lot more dependent on air travel than we were in the 80s. I don't think Trump will be able to do the same
theres also less atc willing to apply than before, plus its competitive too, so even less than that makes it through the application stage. they also have medical condition restrictions too, so not everyone that can be an ATC will be able to, which distills it further down.
and we never recovered to pre-reagan ATC levels too. i think we still have remenents of the atc from reagan still working right now,.
5 U.S.C. § 7311 essentially says federal employees do not have the legal right to strike. the last time ATC went on strike it did not go well for them
Does anybody, really?
If they strike during a shutdown, what’s stopping them from bringing in private companies to replace the ATC workers? They’re literally taking money from billionaires to pay for some military shit and nothing is stopping them. I mean we’re so cooked.
that's essentially what Regan did back in the early 80s. used military controllers to replace the fired ones, decertified and dissolved the existing union. regardless of what the media and Duffy and the rest of the admin says, ATC are ultimately expendable in their eyes, even if it's too the detriment of everyone.
Theres not enough. And the harder they push those that are left the more likely they will leave too.
That’s where they are trying to use AI to replace ATC workers. It was on the news a while back that SpaceX was trying to win contracts in that space, but I could be misremembering.
good luck with that, where are they going to find ATCs in the wild. most of the pipeline is from government funded program from specific colleges/instituitions. its also super competitive too.
Oh they said they aren't allowed! In that case lol
I'm not an air traffic controller but it seems they haven't been treated very well lately to Begin with and now they are asked to work without pay. At that point I would stop caring about what the people in charge told me.
And it won't be better now, but change does not come without a fight.
They have a union, so they should have been collecting dues for a strike fund, right? If not, they need to start now, then strike as soon as they can.
Nobody with any number of years in is going to risk losing their retirement.