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[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So are humans. We still call mass killings of humans a genocide. There's no really good reason to make an exception for ants.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don't think it cheapens the word "genocide" just a bit to lump an ant hill cast and the holocaust under the same umbrella term?

[–] jimerson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Technically it's the same, but if we want to apply emotion to human genocide, then what word would we alternatively use to describe eradicating a colony of beings we don't care enough about?

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Gonna be honest here.

I dont care enough to have a whole ass word.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

I see you're point, I was a bit hasty when saying there's no good reason to make an exception.

I still do not agree with the argument that 'Ants are a superorganism, so it's not really a genocide'. For humans it's a genocide, because we're trying to describe a social crime within humanity. For everything else, extermination is communicating the same thing, but generically.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No collective of humans is a superorganism by a longshot.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The term was literally coined in an analysis of human social interaction by Herbert Spencer in his book "Principles of Sociology". The term was created to describe humanity.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Herbert Spencer

From the 19th century, who coined term super-organic.

It has practically nothing to do with the biological concept involving eusociality. So, no, humans aren't eusocial creatures: etymological fallacy.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago

You're carrying out a similar fallacy by claiming use of the term in its original field is illigitimate in this argument. On top of that, right on the wikipedia page for Eusociality, it states that biologists such as E.O. Wilson have previously argued that humans are weakly eusocial, weakening your whole argument in the first place.

The concept of humans as super-organisms is explored in both sociology and biology, and i'd argue that that means humans fit the bill. Whatever no-true-Scotsman version you've been gate keeping with doesn't even fully agree with the field you're supposedly arguing on the behalf of.