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[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The federal government could easily say to the strikers: Get back to work now, or you go to jail

It is illegal for ATC to go on strike, and the punishment can include jail time. Likely most would capitulate

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

OK, they go to jail.

If they hold out, the government really has nothing they can do.

Solidarity. Solidarity. Solidarity.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In theory, that's true. In practice, most people aren't willing to risk jail time

Consider what happened with controllers under Reagan. Nearly all went on strike. Of those that went on strike, there were 2 groups: Those that crossed the line and went back to work when ordered, and those that held the line in solidarity

Those that crossed the line were allowed to keep their jobs. Those that didn't were immediately fired and barred from ever working for the federal government again. That effectively meant their career was over. They could never work as an air traffic controller again. Jail is an even bigger threat than that

It's more or less a literal prisoner dilemma, except we have a historical precedent for it. I think it's incredibly shitty, but realistically I don't see it working

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

This isn't the same situation. ATCs just can't be replaced this time. Reagan showed why that's an incredibly bad idea, and the repercussions of doing it again would destroy the civil air transport system.

So yes, they can arrest them if they like or bar them from becoming ATCs again. The situation remains that air travel won't exist anymore.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Really? You think this is an unprecedented situation in labor history?

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

alright we will do it your way, tell the ATC workers to stand their ground and goto jail. we will see how many stand in "solidarity"

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

They can quit. They are not slaves.