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There are people out there fighting an insane uphill battle against not just the usual things you hear about - the young earth creationist denialism, the old earth creationist denialism, the moon landing denialists, the vaccine denialists, the moon landing denialists, the Holocaust deniers, and the spherical Earth denialists, there are also people doing whole podcasts where they try to deny things like quantum physics for similar ideological reasons...
Jan Irvin was this guy that seemed to kind of be out there on the fringe writing and talking about some rather fringe ideas related to the way in which xtianity began and interested in psychedelics, maybe somewhere on the left as far as ideology. Then, somewhere along the way, he seems to have done a turn [1], similar to the one Naomi Wolf did. Now he seems very much right-wing aligned, and at some point started cranking out lots of content about how Burning Man is some nexus of a deep state plot. Anyway, I seem to remember him cranking out lots of content railing against quantum physics, too.
Usually quantum physics serves as a crank magnet for all kinds of generally leftist kookery, but Jan seems to want to reject it outright for similar reasons that you talk about above with irrational numbers.
[1] One thing about the conspiracy theorists I've noticed is that they all tend to have similar character traits, mostly antisocial ones. They may align, for a time, with another conspiracy theorist, put out content together etc, but then, something or other happens, and they basically break up. And then they often won't even mention persona non grata...and then they find a new set of boyfriends, and soon the cycle repeats. Jan seemingly had some kind of mental break and radical life changes (?) so his positions went very red pill. If Jan is still out there doing content, I don't know if he's still doing similar content or even running with the same crew.
I know this isn't your point, but the non-political way to express a similar rejection of quantum theory was literally just Einstein saying "god does not play dice", which he famously retracted.
Indeed, I think a lot of people probably have a similar reaction.
In Jan's case it seems his view is that it opens the door to things like "moral relativism" and so the spectre of "Cultural Marxism" and the related accusations of this being some sort of plot soon follow...
I found it interesting since evolution deniers do similar things when it comes to Bio 101 - they think that Darwin is making the world more "secular", as they define that term. Meaning, they think that scientific facts influence culture in some nefarious way. They may be right that facts will influence culture in certain ways, but they arrive at the conclusion that it's been orchestrated by some big "They" to force some cultural outcome, and assume it also must be false.