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Nations with the strictest drug laws have the fewest users.
Same with nations that have laws against homosexuality. Fewer people are openly gay in them.
I know you want to live in your fantasy world where nobody is deterred by punishment, but that's just not the world we live in.
It's sad this needs to be explained to so many of you, but that's what makes this a microcosm. The majority opinion here is not representative of the world as a whole, and in many times shouldn't be.
Those nations may have people who are better at hiding their drug use or homosexuality, or more people repressing it, but that's NOT a good thing.
They're are crimes worth being more strict about, and crimes that shouldn't even be crimes.
I'll also note that being more strict about a given crime doesn't necessarily mean just throwing them in a cell and throwing away the key. If the only response you have for someone doing something wrong is punishment, you aren't actually going to make anything better for anyone.
Proper, and actually effective policies to deter most crimes (that are actually worth being crimes ) MUST include supporting education, public health, (both physical and mental), economic strength and balance, as well as supporting and rehabilitating those convicted of crimes, and researching the REAL factors that drive crime whether they be economic, environmental, or otherwise. For example, in the years since we stopped using leaded gas in cars, there has been a significant decrease in certain types of violent crime because we're no longer poisoning our brains with lead. Countries with good sex education and safe, legal abortions also tend to see statistically noticable reductions in crime.
For example, after Portugal decriminalized drug use, side from the obvious reduction in drug related prison population, drug overdose deaths went down, and remain below EU average. And to this day Portugal has one of the lowest rates of drug use in the EU. So what's the point of being'strict' on the crime of drug use???
Money spent fighting the inequalities and injustices that lead to crimes is far more effective than money spent in punishment.
Sorry, didn't realize you're unable to process any opposing viewpoint more complex than "Nuh-uh".
Yep, just like Florida had the lowest covid rates in the country.
Oh, but that was because they stopped testing... hmm, but people not openly using drugs in countries that heavily criminalize them surely aren't just doing them in secret.
Right?
Uhh, no. You're trying to use an analogy to distract from the topic at hand. It's not a 1:1 representation of the situation we're talking about, but serves as a good tool to debate the accuracy of the analogy instead of the actual subject.
Do you disagree that: "Nations with the strictest drug laws have the fewest users" or "nations that have laws against homosexuality. Fewer people are openly gay in them."
No need to bring florida into this, unless you're relying on mental gymnastics. Hence my comment about fantasy worlds.
There's every reason to bring the Florida example into this, Mr. Debatelord.
Covid rates went down in Florida because they stopped testing, not because they didn't have covid.
Very relevant when trying to suggest that punitive action towards gay people/ drug users result in less of both. The answer is, no they don't, they just hide. That does not make the punishment "effective". What you're saying is like saying that they're punished so they just magically aren't gay anymore lmao.
Sure buddy, whatever you say.