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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hey, i hate the british too, but the article doesn't directly blame the british for the famines and it also includes famines that took place in non-british held or administrated territories.

Nevertheless, it does point out that in many cases, british administration worsened the situation.

[–] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

Nevertheless, it does point out that in many cases, british administration worsened the situation.

To be fair... They were only practising for how they'd treat modern Britain.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It also just one territory, I'm sure the Irish also have a few bones to pick.

Though speaking of time advantage, the best answer might be "mosquitos", and while "blood sucking insects" could be a name for british colonists, they didn't spread malaria since the dawn of humanity

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In fairness we've been around a lot longer, but it is impressive how one little island nation has managed to fuck so much shit up from afar.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 6 points 2 years ago

I think that Queen Victoria would rank pretty in the body count scoreboard

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yep, anyone saying otherwise is doing mental gymnastics.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or simply keeping with the theme of answers being a single individual and not an entire nation of hundreds of millions of people spanning centuries.

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Fair enough to be honest. I hate Mao, Genghis Khan, Hitler and Stalin too for being genocidal fucks.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Is it Mr the brits or Mrs the brits?

Ohhhh, you're conflating a single leader with an entire country.

You must be a lib, tankies say libs never argue in good faith, and your false equivalence is certainly in bad faith.

[–] RepulsiveDog4415@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Until recently it was Mrs. Now it's Mr or alternatively his majesty king Charles the 3rd.

Is there enough reliable data to give a kill count for the different monarchs? It would be kind of interesting who scores highest in that regard.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

Exactly! Mao was one leader, England killed millions, sure, but that was spread over many many rulers.

Mao stands at the top afaik, I'd love to see some stats though!

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jesse what tf are you talking about

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

Mocking a tankie with tankie logic.

[–] lmaydev@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

We were all pretty cool with it all at the time tbh.

Plenty of us will still defend it, which is crazy.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can hardly blame them, pestilence and diseases are a genuine concern for any empire where armed forces have to move far distances over land or sea

[–] rahmad@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Can definitely blame them... Several of the famines in their 'empire' were either engineered, caused through incompetence or arrogance, or ignored when preventable.

Ref: Any of bengal's several famines under British rule, frankly even after once you take Churchill into account.

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nice shoehorn of anglo-saxon history, but those famines are all plagues and crop faliures for the most part.

[–] KepBen@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why is it the rich never starve if it's just a totally unaccountable natural disaster?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Rich usually have more resources and ability to purchase them at elevated prices. Hope that helps

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because they have money duuh.

[–] KepBen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

So it's less of a natural disaster and more of an economic disaster? I wonder why people would blame governments for that...

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It is like miles away from the intentional economical engineering we are talking about. Still not sure why you are so bent on trying to wiggle them into a comparsion between regimes and personnel more direct, intentional and immediate like Mao or Stalin.

If you dont distinguish from those, then why even have a debate on them?

The joke implied that the question intended to ask one or very few directly involved personnel and you disregarded that. Thats it.

[–] KepBen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right sure, when the British intentionally abuse Ireland and India it's really just a whoopsie-daisy.

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Should I really do the same kind of jumping to conclusions?

Are you saying that the largest completely man made famine ever does not really deserve that much of a recognition?

[–] KepBen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Nope. I'm just saying they're all "man-made".

[–] LicenseToChill@lemdro.id 0 points 2 years ago

The rich and the party cadres

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They forced farmers to grow indigo crops instead of natural cotton/wheat/rice.

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Im pretty sure that was not during the drought itself, nor really caused it. It economically made sense and then probably exacerbated the famine.

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

It wasn't just the drought. Indigo cropping destroyed the soil first, drought exacerbated the problems.

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All famines are crop failures. That's kinda how famines happen.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No

A famine is a widespread scarcity of food,[1][2] caused by several factors including war, natural disasters, crop failure, widespread poverty, an economic catastrophe or government policies.

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I suppose you can consider getting your crops blown up a crop failure