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[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 289 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How is it these laws can get passed but our legislatures can’t do anything that’s actually important for society? 

[–] paddington@lemmy.world 290 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's so much worse than that. North Carolina House Bill 8 was created a year ago to add Computer Science to middle school and high school curriculums. Throughout it's 3 edits over the year, all 10 pages of the bill were about teaching kids computer science. Then, ONE WEEK before the bill was passed, a paragraph on the last page was added including the text requiring age verification for adult websites. https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookup/2023/H8

At that point it was too late, and anyone against the bill would be called out for being against teaching kids computer science. The cowards writing these bills know that they would be shot down immediately if they were public about what they were doing, so they tack it on to a children's education bill and hope no one notices until it's too late.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 203 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That kind of shit should really be illegal

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 123 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is illegal where I live. I imagine it's illegal in most developed countries. Bills can only have one purpose, they can't combine unrelated things.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've heard of several cases in the USA where they combine unrelated things to mess with voters. Even this one is kinda related but school education plus internet censorship. Split that shit up and let the people vote for what they want.

Edit: it's a rider

[–] Rootiest@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Several cases?" Lol

Virtually every bill that passes in Congress contains riders and typically only passes because of those riders.

[–] Jck2905@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I just had my worst American brain moment. Definitely assumed this was common everywhere and am in shock it’s not. Must be nice lol

[–] fuckthepolice@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Other countries have actual middle-class structures, so I can only assume so.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It’s how literally anything happens in our government here in the US

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank goodness it’s illegal in New York

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Fucking Amy Galey. I hate that I have to be I around her and pretend that she’s the best thing since sliced bread. I wish people got to hear more about her talking at length about how great her family treated their slaves and less about her GOP silly season power moves.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

the politicians were the naughty ones all along

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, why not vote against it and defend yourself when accused of voting against education?

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes." - Jonathon Swift

So now you're investing time and effort to publicize why this bill was broken. Your political opposition successfully got you on the defensive. These strategies play a part of why fascism and authoritarianism are succeeding in the USA.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

That's what I wanted to highlight by posting it. It's a lose/lose situation for America either way.

[–] Argurotoxus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Simply put, the attack is shorter and easier to understand than the nuanced defense.

Politicians can put "you're against education!" in a 15 second attack ad on the radio/TV/a poster. It takes a short media appearance to explain the nuance. Which isn't worth the time or money typically, since so few people will see it.

Especially since a huge section of our population gets 100% of its news from Fox, Newsmax, and other right wing media. That interview will never air there. In fact, those sources will repeat the party line of "you're against education!"

[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Why do Republicans think about porn every time they discuss children?"

Thats how you frame it back at em.

[–] Promethiel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No no no. Nuance can only be used to pave a high road to hell. Get out of here with using it to fire back more intelligently yet equally dirty. We can only do one thing at a time, so it's high road all the way to the grave.

I mean, what's next in your suggestions? Using the free and available plethora of Republican politician child sex scandals as non-slanderous, factual, and real ammo fodder?

[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Judging from what they said, it took a year to come to fruition and a week to poison the apple. The current kindergarteners are gonna be grown and graduated by the time the red tape lets way for another vote on the matter. Why not just make bills strictly about the thing they are proposing?

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because a bill about adding irrelevant stuff to bills wouldn't pass.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Or it’ll have some insane riders

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I've always been confused about how they can legally be like "here's a hundred page bill about this great thing, but buried at the end is this horrible thing we went to push though but no one will see it".

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, why not vote against it and defend yourself when accused of voting against education?

[–] papertowels@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't count on the average American voter to understand nuance

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't wanna be on the side that constantly keeps allowing this. Oh well, money > people.

[–] Techmaster@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Because they don't actually give a shit about society.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

The legislators passing these laws are interested only in hurting people, getting bribes, and getting reelected so they can continue. Doing something important for society doesn't even factor into their decision making.