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Trump threatened it would be "very dangerous" if he were jailed over the new charges he's likely facing, citing the "passion" of his fan base.

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[–] MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It won't even if he does. Trump isn't the cause, he's a symptom. The US is probably not going to survive as a unified nation for very long, and honestly, it probably shouldn't.

[–] MrJameGumb@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Splitting the US like that would be absolute chaos and probably result in several civil wars. This would also destroy all federal aid programs and I can guarantee no states are going to step in to fill that void. Dividing the country further than it already is will not solve anything.

[–] MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This country is going to implode one way or another. We can try to have it happen in a kinda sorta controlled way, or we can do your idea of sticking our fingers in our ears and just let the pressure build until it breaks in the most destructive way possible.

It's going to hurt no matter what. Trying to avoid the pain will only end in worse pain.

[–] btaf45@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This country is going to implode one way or another.

Then it is a good thing America is the most successful country in the entire world, Ivan. So that we don't have to worry about Russia's imminent implosion. I guess that is why Russians are fleeing their country in droves.

[–] elscallr@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Making the United States a union of sovereign territories instead of a country with a powerful federal government sounds like a familiar idea.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

One our national enemies would love.

[–] MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Who said anything about that? This country should be split up entirely. It's already completely unable to function by any reasonable standards, and for decades the harm it's caused its own people and the world at large has been increasingly outweighing any good it does. Empires are always negative forces and should always be dismantled.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How would you split the country? There are heavily blue areas in red states and heavily red areas in blue states.

Or do you just want chaos?

[–] MostlyBirds@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't have the solution, I just have the basic sense to see that what this country is is entirely unsustainable.

[–] effingjoe@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Your solution ignores that all we really need to do (and I say that like it's easy but I acknowledge it's not) is remove the parts of our system that prevent an accurately representative government. Stuff like the electoral college, the cap on House seats, and the dominance of plurality voting. The root problem we see here is that a minority of people have more power over the government than the majority of people.

Like I said, this is much easier typed out than done, but it is not impossible, and is much more likely to succeed than "make a fascist country and give it a humongous border with the democratic country that it views as 'the enemy'" Even if there were a clean way to split it up (there isn't: cities are blue, rural areas are red), much of the red state's income comes from the federal taxes from blue states. Do you really think that's going to end well?