All instances should defederated with corporation instances ASAP
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2023
58 points (100.0% liked)
Asklemmy
50069 readers
586 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy π
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- !lemmy411@lemmy.ca: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~
founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
If they join the Fediverse I am leaving. We have made the Fediverse to get away from coorporations like them, letting them join us will defeat the whole point of what we have.
load more comments
(1 replies)
I don't know anything about it except for what you said, but yeah fuck them. I'd much rather donate my money (well, once I get a job that is) to a bunch of people to maintain a server and simply jump on another instance if anything weird happens than use another Meta's (or any other shitty corpo's) products
Pros
- more attention to the Fediverse and all the advancement that may bring with it.
- If the Fediverse ever becomes mainstream corporations will end up with their own content on it so having Meta join would provides early insight on how the Fediverse may be effected by becoming mainstream.
Cons
- Some instances may not have the server load to support being federated with Meta
- There's a decent chance it hinders healthy growth (Like a Cuckoo hatchling that starves out the bird's actual children.)
Makes more sense for Meta to create their own "Metaverse" than join an open-source network.
Instagram and Facebook already communicate, it won't be too difficult to include WhatsApp into that mix.
If they buy something like Mastodon, it would make better business sense to cut it off from the Federation and sync it with Meta's products instead.
Mastodon software is still open source under agpl-3. As far as I understand the license terms, every change to the software has to be open sourced. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Affero_General_Public_License)
mastodon gGmbH can still be sold, but my guess is that it wonβt be of much use to zuck.
That's really nice to hear, hopefully we can have our own little or bigger anarcho oasis without corporate greed
They'll probably adopt, adapt, and extinguish. So no, fuck 'em.
Embrace, extend, extinguish
for anyone not familiar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
"Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE), also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate", is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.
Nope. Money will buy blood.
Meta is a corporation with a really horrible track record
and even if they didn't, it's still a corporation; it only cares for profit
I have very negative opinions on them joining
load more comments
(2 replies)
I think this is so interesting...
For a refreshing change, we have corporations coming to the users, not the other way around.
I'm deeply skeptical, but I'm glad communities and hubs have the power to block them outright.
I'm excited to get some of my Facebook groups onto the fediverse,buyt still a wait and see approach makes the most sense before wholly endorsing this. Corps have a habit of "worst of all worlds" decisions tbh.
I did my senior college paper on the fuckery that Facebook and Meta has caused and how harmful their data collection has been to American society. I will stop using any services that are bought up by Fuckerberg.
I do not want them in the fediverse and will not tolerate them for a second. The moment they form an instance is the moment I block their instance.
Fuck. Meta.
Mind sharing the TL;DR about your paper?
Facebook et al has had a horrible track record of creating a new app/service and getting people on board. Their 3 successes are Facebook, Whatsapp (bought), and IG (bought). Every time they've launched an app outside of these, they failed (IGTV anyone?).
The Fediverse is open.
They can create Threads on activity pub and hope that they can create a server that competes with Twitter. Go for it, who cares. You can choose to follow people there or not, or join or not, or be on a server that defederates from it or not.
That's the beauty of it.
Meta's userbase is diverse. It has good and bad players. No need to broadstrokes it. If people join the Fediverse via Threads, many will discover Mastodon, Lemmy, Kbin, Calckey etc over time. Discovery & community!
So, like... in conclusion or whatever... everyone needs to chill. IMO.
People are being really hypocritical.
You want a free open source social network. But when people you dont like join it, you hate it. That is not how it works, its not how FREE in FOSS works.
Meta can join, they can do whatever they want. It literally the point of this social network. If you dont like it, then go to a social network that is not FOSS, but is heavily moderated, because that is what most of you really want.
"Freedom" can be used to justify lots of really bad stuff. Meta has too much money to be trusted, they WILL fuck the Fediverse up eventually for more profit on the first chance they get (and people with lots of money always get those chances).
And it's not just about morality and the fucked up stuff that's happened on Meta, Iike the Cambridge Analytica scandal. I stopped using Facebook years ago because of the low quality of the content being posted there. And last week I logged back in to sell some stuff and oh boy, the content managed to get even worse.
I don't want growth just for the sake of growth. We don't need big corporations getting involved.
Pros:
- my friends join
- larger community = more content
- meta funding would likely contribute to fediverse growth and improvements
- any instance can defederate them from said instance, which would mitigate almost every con
Cons:
- Meta is evil and wants all your information to profile you and sell to other companies for profit
Block them or Iβm gone
Makes no difference to me. Those who believe they have privacy just because Meta and others don't yet have their own instance are mistaken.
load more comments
(1 replies)