The US should not normalize Modi’s autocratic and illiberal India at the G20 : worldnews

[+] Bye@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

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[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's always a choice, but while Modi's India is a fairly bad ally, it's still better than others, like Saudi Arabia. Gotta pick your battles.

Maybe some day when the important conflicts are in a different region we can take India to task over things like their police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

[–] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

police-sanctioned cybercriminals that keep robbing the elderly.

Lmao. The police here are far too busy harassing innocent citizens to do that.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, they have a choice. Ignoring India's issues including that they in fact increase trade with Russia massively is not what stops them from going on like this.

[–] Armen12@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Making an enemy of a country with 1 billion people is absurd reddit-tier kind of logic. It's far better to have a country like India as a close ally

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but ignoring their issues doesn't make them a close ally. Just another one roughy affiliated, that knows it can do whatever without consequence other than strongly worded letters.

[–] Armen12@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are a close ally and always have been unless you've been living under a rock for 50 years

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, I have lived under a rock where India bought Russian military for years and is now working hard to become their new biggest trading partner... such close allies.

What you are talking about is: it could be worse and they could be openly hostile.

[–] Armen12@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I guess you have been living under a rock because I'm still old enough to remember George Bush inviting Putin to Texas where they played golf together, and every President before him going to Moscow for diplomatic missions.

Hey, here's a video of Obama and Medvedev having a Burger together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIEByvOXwdw

I'm also old enough to remember Germany helping to build the Nord Stream pipeline:

"Nord Stream (German-English mixed expression for "North Stream"; Russian: Северный поток, Severny potok) is a network of offshore natural gas pipelines which run under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany to provide Western Europe with natural gas"

What you're talking about is China, not India. Get your countries right. China literally has the same Hammer and Sickle Emblem on their stupid State Insignia ffs. They held a massive communist rally 2 years ago and mimic the Soviet Union in every way.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

The US already has one enemy with a billion people, why not two?

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Why would India join any sphere? India's success historically has always been from a policy of neutrality and having the Himalayan mountains block any ideas against that neutrality.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago

Why would the US stop supporting autocratic and illiberal regimes now? Did we find our principles at any point in the last 70 years?

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Unsure what they think letting India have only Russia to turn to would gain the US, but I promise it isn't realistic.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago

Well at least he's not sending love letters to little Kim.

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yeah, no. I am all against Modi and the BJP and most of their policies (except for the Foreign policy which has been a win acc to me)

But, no. You will not punish Indians because Modi is the leader of the country. And it's not in US interest to do this either. Some idiot at the Guardian might think this, but yeah, thankfully US foreign policy heads are not this dumb.

[–] fred@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What punishment are you talking about? Did we read the same article?

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Modi's followers are great at playing victims.

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why are you lying? You are lying and you know you are lying. You read me clearly say multiple times not only in this article that I wasn't a modi supporter. Heck, I didn't vote for the guy even though I could have thrice! So, why are you lying?

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

was I talking about you?

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Y

[–] fred@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I notice you responded to this but didn't answer the question. There's no "punishment" referenced in the article but here you are throwing a temper tantrum. What exactly are you talking about?

[–] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I was wrong. The article goes on to say what's wrong and most of it is accurate (i.e., there are more truths than outright lies in there) but yeah, it doesn't talk about a punishment.

But I am afraid that this could be a pretext for "punishment" and the condition in India, though bad is not as bad as they describe it in here. Anyways, yeah I kinda was wrong there in talking about punishment and shit.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago

US foreign policy is happy to punish Chinese people for Xi Jinping and Iranian people for Khamenei. Iranian women who want to study in the US and leave the regime get their visas denied and their study rights revoked for the audacity of having an Iranian passport.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reminder that India is still happily trading with Russia by buying their arms and buying their oil. In fact, India and Russia together found ways to circumvent the oil price cap and most Indians support Russia in Ukraine.

India is not an American ally. They're neutral and self-interested as they've always been.

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

India is also happily trading with China. It's imports from China increased after China built villages in India's Arunchal Pradesh, invaded India's Ladakh & beat 20 Indian soldiers to death. Prime Mninister Modi's response to that act invasion & aggression was to publicly say that China did not invade India.

Modi is not USA's friend. He is a dictator who is friendly with other dictators.

[+] IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Biden opened his address to the summit by describing his motivation for holding it: “in the face of sustained and alarming challenges … democracy needs champions”.

More recently, Biden invited Benjamin Netanyahu, who is presiding over the destruction of Israel’s democracy by targeting its judicial system, for an official visit to the United States.

In 2005 Modi, then the chief minister of Gujarat, was denied entry to the US because of his role in ethnic violence that left over 1,000 people dead, the vast majority of them Muslims.

According to a recently declassified report from the British Foreign Office, the Hindu mobs’ “systematic campaign of violence has all the hallmarks of ethnic cleansing” and “Narendra Modi is directly responsible.”

The National Registry Act, already implemented in the Indian state of Assam, is a seemingly contradictory effort to expel illegal immigrants.

Jack Kirby, a US national security official, has made light of objections to Modi, declaring that “India is a vibrant democracy.

The original article contains 861 words, the summary contains 161 words. Saved 81%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[+] Africanprince99@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Please do. Create a different post/thread and well discuss those as well in that thread.

[+] Armen12@lemm.ee -15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Under Modi India actually made it to the moon, a feat only a few handful of countries on Earth have done. Spare me the autocrat nonsense, he's been the best thing to happen to India since 1947 when they kicked out the British

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why would anyone attribute credit to politicians for the work that scientists do ?

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Scientists need funding and public support. That's the role of politicians.

NASA would never have made it to the moon without public support for the billions of dollars that went into NASA coffers. Kennedy deserves credit for finding funding and public support for NASA.

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While I do agree that funding is necessary for research, I don't think the politician who may or may not have brought funding to the project should receive more appreciation than the actual scientists.

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You live in a country where value is defined by money instead of any intrinsic measure of value.

Do landlords provide any service of value? Sure, they provide shelter. Does that explain 50% YoY rent increases? Not really...

Similarly, did Kennedy provide a service of value? Not really... But we have assigned a certain value to his actions based on the economic system we exist in.

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay I have no idea what your point is here. And it seems like you missed my point too which was that "people who bring in money help fund research, but their contribution of funding shouldn't diminish the work that the actual scientists do with that money".

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nvm, I just read the other comments you've posted and it really just feels like you're trolling and trying to evoke a response out of people. So I'm gonna ignore anything further from you.

[+] Armen12@lemm.ee -12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because the scientists like Modi. It's no different then a President claiming their administration is responsible for this or that here in the states

The real question is why are people so mad about a country that went from colonial subjugation to landing on the moon in just 80 years? That's something worthy of respect from anyone who actually has an ounce of humanity in them and cares about Democracy.

[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Under Hitler Germany went from economic stagnation and depression to building the forerunner of modern rockets in the V2 while many Germans experienced a huge gain in living standards in an incredibly short period... well, aside from those targeted for genocide, anyway.

You might want to reconsider your thought process.

[+] Armen12@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Did you seriously just compare India to Nazi Germany? LOL what?

I think you people need some kind of medication. Wanting India to remain a poor country just so you can feel superior to them is really deranged

Also, go read a book sometime. Hitler didn't bring Germany out from economic depression. Germany was already heading that way before the Nazi Party took over and obliterated Europe for decades

[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, I used another example of a leader who did both good things and horrible things as an illustration of how you don't get to use the good stuff to erase the horrible stuff, thereby exposing the flaw in your apologetic reasoning.

Modi is a demagogue that's stoked the worst aspects of Hindu nationalism and encouraged racism and violence in the name of power. Any socioeconomic gains under his rule don't erase those facts.

That you attempt to use the tactic of equating criticism of Modi and the BJP with criticism of India, the country, as a method of stoking nationalistic anger toward those opposed to their rule only further illustrates how Modi and his supporters have, charitably, fascist tendencies.

[–] imAadesh@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

RSS - The Parent organization of BJP, is inspired by Hitler. Golwalkar's (founder of RSS) book 'A Bunch of Thoughts' literally praises Hitler and calls for genocide of Muslims. Every now and then BJP ministers call for violence against Muslims and abuses Gandhi.

As for the 'India is developing, not poor anymore' comment, look at Oxfam report on Wealth Inequality in India. 1% own 40% of the total and bottom 50% only has 3% of the total wealth.

What Modi is doing is eating the poor and feeding his two owners Adani and Ambani.

[–] arbitrary_sarcasm@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Presidents and politicians can claim responsibility for any achievement they want to. Doesn't mean that they actually have a legitimate claim.

Nobody is mad at india for landing on the moon. Everybody likes that and congratulates the scientists for doing so. However, that doesn't mean that the rest of the world forgives all the problems that india has.

To draw a comparison, Qatar did a great job of hosting the FIFA world cup 2022 (transportation, immigration logistics wise, excluding accommodation). That doesn't mean that everyone forgets about the human rights abuses in those countries.

[–] spidercrossings@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Abey chup lawde.

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