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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

3 years before they even allowed sale of 3rd party F-16s and a nonstop barrage about how effective the 90s era surplus we sold to Ukraine was gonna magically win the war.

I got banned from NCD for sharing this sentiment saying that there was literally no outcome where the US would allow Ukraine to join NATO, regardless of the acting government.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

NCD is basically a NATO fanclub, so that checks out.

[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 250 points 4 days ago (58 children)

Funny wojak faces but to clear up an apparent misconception here, Ukrainian weren't fighting for abstract concepts like "freedom" and Democracy", they were fighting to stop Russian soldiers from killing their families, raping their children, and burning their homes to the ground.

I hope this helps!

[–] johny@feddit.org 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ukrainians were/are still fighting to defend themselves from an illegal invasion. But America sees and has always seen Ukraine as a proxy to weaken a geo-strategic rival. NATO was not realistically on the table as long as the conflict in the Donbas was ongoing (it would have immediately triggered art.5) to keep promising NATO instead of working on a more realistic path to peace has probably caused the death of 100000s of Ukrainians. And just as with many other imperial proxies in history, the proxy is left to deal with the fallout while the empire retreats to the metropol and prepares for the next conflict.

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

With rare exception (Israel) America can seem downright schizo from administration to administration.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This was always Ukraine's fate.

The OG coup happened under the Obama admin, the far-right were forced into government under Trump pt I, Ukraine was forced to sell off state assets and take billions in loans by the Biden admin, and now the US is preparing to pick the bones clean over the next decades.

It's nice that yall are recognizing that the US isn't there to help the Ukrainian people now, but we're all gonna repeat this next war.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I stopped being Charlie Brown falling for the football 23 years go, when I saw that the consent manufacturing for the second Iraq war rested on no hard evidence.

Edit to add that the bone picking has been going on for two years already. Everything must go, including seaports.

[–] Toasted@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Libya was what got me, i was a chump cheering while i watched it on CNN but the more I thought about it the less sense it made then i read the shock docturine and some chomsky. Libya went from the highest score for quality of life in africa to literal slave markets. For what? So some slimy fucking americans can take their resources instead of negotiating for them?

[–] treesapx@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Rome creates a desert and calls it peace.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not even just changes in administration. The U.S. will often suddenly move on or just decide you will work better as a villain for internal politics. The US basically told Saddam Hussein that we wouldn't care if he invaded Kuwait only to then use that invasion as justification to make him a boogeyman for the next decade.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who would’ve thought the government that installed a far right government in a coup wouldn’t have the best intentions?!

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago (34 children)

See, I can't tell if you're talking about America, Russia, or Ukraine.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

US is fatal even for itself

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

US is in a state of slow implosion. Rest of the world needs to look at collaborating while excluding the US.

My guess is China will fill the void left by the disintegration of USAID in order to boost its global standing.

I strongly encourage all nations to begin violating US intellectual property rights. Nations like India already do so with pharmaceuticals.

Eventually other nations will need to take on the mantle of tech and pharmaceutical research and development and we don't want to live in a world where all this progress is lost.

Americans have chosen to nuke their own democracy and we need to minimize the damage done to the rest of the world as much as possible.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Our implosion isn't so slow these days.

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[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 58 points 4 days ago (20 children)

history truly is a flat circle

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This image is almost 3 years old already lmao.

If any libs want to learn how tankies see the future you might want to read about the past for once. Pop history doesn't count.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 30 points 4 days ago (14 children)

That's the kicker, Leftists are correct far more often than liberals yet libs never put 2 and 2 together.

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[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago (28 children)

If it was simple mob extortion it would be reasonable. Zelensky originally agreed when he thought the deal would be to pay for American protection.

But Trump wants the money AND wants Ukraine to surrender. Trump is a stupid mob boss who doesn't understand why "Pay me and I'll let the rival gang burn your business." isn't going to be accepted.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 7 points 3 days ago

The only thing worst than a strong enemy are weak allies.

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