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A Boring Dystopia

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I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.

Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.

If they were right I'm gonna have some 'splainin to do.

Dammit.

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[–] ColeD@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

Don't confuse coincidence for causation. For hundreds of years, people have been harping about the " end times." No 'splaining needed friend.

[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 hours ago

Self fulfilling prophecy. It's a doomsday cult and they're trying to bring the end times instead of waiting

When they said we're living in the end times it wasn't a prediction it was a threat

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 21 points 11 hours ago

Personally, if I die only to find out that the Tyrant is real, I'll gladly walk into hell before I kneel my way into heaven. Fuck their narcissistic, cruel, inhuman monster of a god.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

If you predict it's the end times every day for a thousand years, eventually you'll get it right.

[–] Lvdwsn@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

If you have the time, I highly recommend the book “American Apocalypse” by Matthew Avery Sutton. Really digs into the history of this whole thing and helps you realize just HOW MUCH of this shit is truly self fulfilling prophecy. I’m currently working up the courage to gift it to my highly evangelical family and forcing them to read it.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago

Yes it's a death cult and we're locked in the basement.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

If they were right it's because of their ideology. They are the ones denying climate change and the ones supporting Trump. They aren't prophets, they are the problem.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 191 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It's more that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"The world will hate you," so you're antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It's all true!

"There will be wars and rumors of wars," so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It's all true!

"They won't even tolerate your views, they'll try to outlaw it!" So you try to ban them first. It's all true!

Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.

tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 34 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If you spend your life wanting to see the end, eventually you will.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That's the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, "YES!!! It's haaaappeniiiiing!!!"

You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago

It’s all just food prep for the Archons.

[–] Likwidkat@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I highly recommend the song Apocalypticism by Moon Walker

https://youtu.be/cnkH7_AA_AA

Apocalypticism - a doctrine concerning an imminent end of the world and an ensuing general resurrection and final judgment

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Subtracty@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Exactly what I came here to say.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

“The imaginary is what tends to become real.”

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 70 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.

theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.

theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 17 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Self proclaimed "Christians" don't necessarily represent the true beliefs.

James 1:27

"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world."

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 16 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.

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[–] HyonoKo@lemmy.ml 9 points 14 hours ago

I love the word christofascist. I‘ll try to use it more from now on.

[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 40 points 20 hours ago (8 children)

It's been the "End Times" for the last 2000 years. They were full of shit then and they're full of shit now.

Their whole death cult is predicated on the world ending in a violent fiery ocean of blood so that they, the only good people who won't be damned to a burning torturous eternal punishment, will ascend to a paradise of everlasting Jonestown. It's sheer insanity. Malicious, cruel, psychopathic insanity.

[–] dontbelasagne@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

TBF this is the first time in 2000 years when we have billions of people warming up the planet and studies by actual scientists saying if we continue the way we are we have at most a couple of centuries left. Plenty of studies saying that when you know where to look.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

When a denomination lies about when the apocalypse is coming they can gain more followers than they lose, look at all the offshoot denominations of Adventists/Millerites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

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[–] ghostrider2112@lemmy.world 32 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I’ve read their book several times. Take some comfort from the fact that if they are right, all of them are on the side they thought they were against.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody is righteous. The only reason people are saved is through grace.

[–] ghostrider2112@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, and they don’t get saved by trying to anticipate the end times and leading others astray.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

You must have skipped the Old Testament

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[–] TTH4P@lemm.ee 17 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

America isn't the world. It's just a regime that will fall because of shortsightedness. If your Christian parents only think of the world as "America", then I don't think you owe them anything?

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

I'm going to make a point here, and I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am. If America falls apart, I think it will be the first one, not the only one. The influence America exerts on much of the rest of the world is huge, and the pressures on many other nations to follow any collapse with one of their own would be difficult to stop. Not just influence culturally, but economically, including but not limited to agriculture. Removing the agricultural influence provided by America alone will be devastating for much of the world (including non-agrarian parts America).

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago

Very decent chance America just nukes everyone on the way out out of spite

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The oldest human writings are lost to history. But we can be assured that they bitterly complained about the young generation and predicted that the world would end soon.

Sooner or later, one of the kooks will be right by coincidence.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It was always going to end. And I'd rather be there for it than be born in some other boring and eventless time. Unfortunately, as exciting as times are, I think there's still quite a while to go and we won't be around for it. But you can still enjoy all that's happening now; sure is a lot!

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

May you live in interesting times.

[–] dontbelasagne@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on your generation. I'm early gen Z and if I live long enough, I think there's a good enough chance I will see humanity going extinct

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 5 points 19 hours ago

If the entire world dies for any of those reasons, it’s humanity’s own damn fault. There will be nothing supernatural about it. You won’t owe anyone any kind of explanation.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 19 hours ago

Yeah... That's not what "right" means.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Well, they're not right if they were harping on "Jesus is coming again!" but other than that, I too might owe Mom & Dad and apology.

More clearly than ever in my life, I can see the end — the end of me, the end of America (whatever that really was), and the end of everything. It's all so clear, it's difficult to see anything else, even when I turn away.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

It's not too late to re-evaluate your beliefs tbh. I don't subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as my parents or as what you see happening in the USA, but you can actually have Christ without a lot of that mad fundie stuff, and incorporate into a more rational belief system. I recommend checking out InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube, he has a pretty rational way of explaining the faith. Or I am not rational at all because I still believe in a "skyfairy" according to internet atheists. Just don't think that being a mad fundie is the only way to be a Christian or necessary to receive forgiveness from God.

[–] werty@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know why anyone needs forgiveness from god. Seems to me that god is the one who needs to be forgiven for creating all this suffering.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The common “internet atheist” drives me nuts. Such arrogance! Such stubbornness! I will proudly yell “I DON’T KNOW!” from the highest mountaintop, and remain open minded.

Thanks for the YouTube recommendation!

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