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According to former United States general Ben Hodges, the withdrawal of US troops from Europe is only a matter of time. In an interview with SonntagsBlick, he advises Switzerland to prepare for war.

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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

It's unfortunate that we've configured our world like this, with rival nation states and militaries vying for supremacy. In reality, the conflict is between humans and militarism. Militarism will kill us all, in one way or another.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago

Switzerland been preparing for war since 1648.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

If Putin had any desire to conquer Switzerland, all I'll say is good luck. They're:

  • Heavily fortified, with hundreds of bunkers dotting the countryside
  • Highly mountainous, which would heavily slow down a ground invasion.
  • One of the few states to still practice mandatory military service.
  • Pretty lax with gun ownership, to the point where citizens have a statutory duty to bear arms in the event of an invasion.
  • A substantial player in the banking sector with many oligarchs using their service. Any freeze they'd put on Russian assets would likely go above and beyond what NATO and the EU managed, just because of how synonymous their banks are with the wealthy. They would probably send the Russian economy into freefall long before they could even get anywhere near Zurich.
  • Surrounded from all sides by NATO and EU member states, and would likely have plenty of time to prepare their own forces in the unlikely event that Russia mounts a full-scale invasion and takes over the rest of Europe.
[–] Sicsurfer@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is blatant fear mongering, russia can’t even defeat the Ukraine. How the fuck do they manage a second front?

[–] Prime_Minister_Keyes@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Tangentially related, he once said: "I had a German tell me one time, he said, the two pillars for us are NATO and the EU. NATO is for life, EU is for quality of life." I wonder how that'll play out in the near future.
EDIT: corrected link.

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 13 points 2 days ago

Make him a present, some winter vacations in Switzerland and some summer ones in Italy. Cool those US guys down, down to the bottom of earth

[–] Raylon@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (10 children)

If anyone is interested in the state of things in Switzerland:

Our defense is in chaos right now. A scandal in our state-owned but public weapons manufacturer just broke a few weeks ago and shortly after the secretary of the departement of defense announced her resignation. We will see if the newly elected one will improve the situation.

The army is generally seen as somewhat of a joke, especially by people who served, which is more than half of all Swiss men. We like to call it a "Pfadiverein" (boy scouts association).

Even with all that, the right wing parties want to give a shitload more money to defense, and cut costs in social spending and foreign aid to compensate. Left of centre the need to improve defense is also accepted, but 1) before the army gets more money, they need to get their shit together and 2) more important than the army itself is integration with the european security Infrastructure (the left parties are also very pro-EU). The centre politicians usually mix blth stances and lean more one or the other way.

Also we still stand to buy fighter jets from the US, and only the left parties are calling to cancel the deal.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

If it makes you feel any better, we have a joke in Austria that we might as well not have an army, because we border 1) NATO, 2) Switzerland, and if either of those become a threat, we might as well capitulate immediately.

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[–] RetroGradeBE@lemmy.world 184 points 3 days ago (6 children)

As bad as it sounds, if our European leaders can get their head out of their collective US-aligned asses, it could finally be a push to a more cohesive EU-defence policy that is not dependant on US logistics and firepower.

We have allowed ourselves to be way to complacent for far too long.

[–] cool@lemmings.world 6 points 2 days ago

it could finally be a push to a more cohesive EU-defence policy that is not dependant on US logistics and firepower.

I think the main reason why the EU doesn't care much about defense is that their people don't "value" war as much as other nations.

They live comfortably. They have their social services. Life is pretty good, for the most part.

Trying to convince them to go die in a war isn't going to be very popular. I genuinely believe the Western world is in for a rude awakening when an actual conflict breaks out.

It's not just logistics. These are people's lives.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 150 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Humans are so fucking stupid.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 92 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Most are ok. It's the spoiled nepo babies who've grown into privileged assholes that are the problem.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 76 points 3 days ago (36 children)

Plus the morons that keep voting them into power.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. 
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. 
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

Douglas Adams,

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[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 56 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It's high time that we throw out the US army from Europe. They've been waging war in the middle east from Rammstein for decades.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago (6 children)

“According to everything I hear from Washington, Europe is no longer a priority.” Trump sees China as the main opponent of the US.

This didn't start with Trump, it has been building for a long time. I haven't seen anyone spell it out so clearly before though.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Soo. Uhh.. what exactly happens when US loses it's soft power and trust in Europe and Europe slowly cozies up to China?

[–] eric5949@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh thats easy, Europe becomes the enemy, which you already see happening. You dont say you're getting another country 's territory one way or another if they're not your enemy.

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[–] dmalteseknight@programming.dev 14 points 2 days ago

Frankly I think Trump sees western nations not led by dictators as threats.

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[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Anyone taking bets which Country gets threatened next I'm thinking Jamaica had to hand over 50percent of its rum.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Puerto Rico needs to end it's vicious trade war against the US or risk it's government being overthrown and made a US state."

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[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Has the USA ever won a war?

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, they win most of them. They mostly lose when they try to occupy a foreign country and do counterinsurgency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

[–] Devanismyname@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Counter insurgency is tough to overcome. As you kill insurgents, more insurgents pop up because the initially killed insurgents were their family and friends. The only way to do it is to rule with an iron fist.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I disagree that there is any way to do it. Ultimately, people don't want you there and are unhappy enough that they're willing to die rather than cooperate. It is simply too expensive in terms of man hours, lives, and money to keep a population under occupation like that. At the very least, you need to do as the colonial powers did and exploit a local division to deputize some of the locals to rule on your behalf.

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[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I seem to recall a pretty successful one against the British...

LOL. How much help did you get though?

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Every war they've ever declared. They just haven't declared war since WW2

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[–] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 60 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] Zess@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Switzerland is always prepared for war. Prepared to stay the fuck out of it and profit from it.

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[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Basically: Si vis pacem, para bellum

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