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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 27 points 1 hour ago

Burning 29 acres of rainforest a day to do nothing

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves I see nothing but misery coming from this.

[–] weremacaque@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You have Thirteen hours in which to solve the labyrinth before your baby AI becomes one of us, forever.

[–] TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 hours ago

And soon, the already AI-flooded net will be filled with so much nonsense that it becomes impossible for anyone to get some real work done. Sigh.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 161 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine how much power is wasted on this unfortunate necessity.

Now imagine how much power will be wasted circumventing it.

Fucking clown world we live in

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 28 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

On on hand, yes. On the other...imagine frustration of management of companies making and selling AI services. This is such a sweet thing to imagine.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I just want to keep using uncensored AI that answers my questions. Why is this a good thing?

[–] halfapage@lemmy.world 40 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

My dude, they'll literally sell services to both sides of the market.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

I...uh...frick.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 81 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So the web is a corporate war zone now and you can choose feudal protection or being attacked from all sides. What a time to be alive.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

There is also the corpo verified id route. In order to avoid the onslaught of AI bots and all that comes with them you'll need to sacrifice freedom, anonymity, and privacy like a good little peasant to prove you aren't a bot.. and so will everyone else. You'll likely be forced to deal with whatever AI bots are forced upon you while within the walls but better an enemy you know I guess?

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 34 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Generating content with AI to throw off crawlers. I dread to think of the resources we’re wasting on this utter insanity now, but hey who the fuck cares as long as the line keeps going up for these leeches.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 95 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Not exactly how I expected the AI wars to go, but I guess since we're in a cyberpunk world, we take what we get

[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Next step is an AI that detects AI labyrinth.

It gets trained on labyrinths generated by another AI.

So you have an AI generating labyrinths to train an AI to detect labyrinths which are generated by another AI so that your original AI crawler doesn't get lost.

It's gonna be AI all the way down.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

All the while each AI costs more power than a million human beings to run, and the world burns down around us.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

The same way they justify cutting benefits for the disabled to balance budgets instead of putting taxes on the rich or just not giving them bailouts, they will justify cutting power to you before a data centre that's 10 corporate AIs all fighting each other, unless we as a people stand up and actually demand change.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

LLMs tend to be really bad at detecting AI generated content. I can’t imagine specialized models are much better. For the crawler, it’s also exponentially more expensive and more human work, and must be replicated for every crawler since they’re so freaking secretive.

I think the hosts win here.

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[–] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why do I have the feeling that I will end up in that nightmare with my privacy focused and ad-free Browser setup. I already end up in captcha hell too often because of it.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Of course it will. Cloudflare has already ruined the web and it's just another step further.

[–] AtomicHotSauce@lemmy.world 173 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

That's just BattleBots with a different name.

[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 45 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I introduce to you, the Trace Buster Buster!

https://youtu.be/Iw3G80bplTg

If you've never seen the movie The Big Hit, it's great.

[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 50 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So the world is now wasting energy and resources to generate AI content in order to combat AI crawlers, by making them waste more energy and resources. Great! 👍

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The energy cost of inference is overstated. Small models, or “sparse” models like Deepseek are not expensive to run. Training is a one-time cost that still pales in comparison to, like, making aluminum.

Doubly so once inference goes more on-device.

Basically, only Altman and his tech bro acolytes want AI to be cost prohibitive so he can have a monopoly. Also, he’s full of shit, and everyone in the industry knows it.

AI as it’s implemented has plenty of enshittification, but the energy cost is kinda a red herring.

[–] RelativeArea1@sh.itjust.works 120 points 12 hours ago (12 children)

this is some fucking stupid situation, we somewhat got a faster internet and these bots messing each other are hugging the bandwidth.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Lol website traffic accounts for like 1% of bandwidth budget. 1 netflix movie is like 20k web pages.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (15 children)

nothing can be improved while capitalism or authority exist; all improvement will be seized and used to oppress.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

How can authority not exist? That's staggeringly broad

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

hey look it's that "zip bomb" I mentioned.

fuck cloudflare though.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Relevant excerpt from part 11 of Anathem (2008) by Neal Stephenson:

Artificial InanityNote: Reticulum=Internet, syndev=computer, crap~=spam

“Early in the Reticulum—thousands of years ago—it became almost useless because it was cluttered with faulty, obsolete, or downright misleading information,” Sammann said.

“Crap, you once called it,” I reminded him.

“Yes—a technical term. So crap filtering became important. Businesses were built around it. Some of those businesses came up with a clever plan to make more money: they poisoned the well. They began to put crap on the Reticulum deliberately, forcing people to use their products to filter that crap back out. They created syndevs whose sole purpose was to spew crap into the Reticulum. But it had to be good crap.”

“What is good crap?” Arsibalt asked in a politely incredulous tone.

“Well, bad crap would be an unformatted document consisting of random letters. Good crap would be a beautifully typeset, well-written document that contained a hundred correct, verifiable sentences and one that was subtly false. It’s a lot harder to generate good crap. At first they had to hire humans to churn it out. They mostly did it by taking legitimate documents and inserting errors—swapping one name for another, say. But it didn’t really take off until the military got interested.”

“As a tactic for planting misinformation in the enemy’s reticules, you mean,” Osa said. “This I know about. You are referring to the Artificial Inanity programs of the mid–First Millennium A.R.”

“Exactly!” Sammann said. “Artificial Inanity systems of enormous sophistication and power were built for exactly the purpose Fraa Osa has mentioned. In no time at all, the praxis leaked to the commercial sector and spread to the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies. Never mind. The point is that there was a sort of Dark Age on the Reticulum that lasted until my Ita forerunners were able to bring matters in hand.”

“So, are Artificial Inanity systems still active in the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies?” asked Arsibalt, utterly fascinated.

“The ROBE evolved into something totally different early in the Second Millennium,” Sammann said dismissively.

“What did it evolve into?” Jesry asked.

“No one is sure,” Sammann said. “We only get hints when it finds ways to physically instantiate itself, which, fortunately, does not happen that often. But we digress. The functionality of Artificial Inanity still exists. You might say that those Ita who brought the Ret out of the Dark Age could only defeat it by co-opting it. So, to make a long story short, for every legitimate document floating around on the Reticulum, there are hundreds or thousands of bogus versions—bogons, as we call them.”

“The only way to preserve the integrity of the defenses is to subject them to unceasing assault,” Osa said, and any idiot could guess he was quoting some old Vale aphorism.

“Yes,” Sammann said, “and it works so well that, most of the time, the users of the Reticulum don’t know it’s there. Just as you are not aware of the millions of germs trying and failing to attack your body every moment of every day. However, the recent events, and the stresses posed by the Antiswarm, appear to have introduced the low-level bug that I spoke of.”

“So the practical consequence for us,” Lio said, “is that—?”

“Our cells on the ground may be having difficulty distinguishing between legitimate messages and bogons. And some of the messages that flash up on our screens may be bogons as well.”

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago

One of my favorite books! Great world building and quite thought provoking!

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