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[–] Deebster@infosec.pub 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So they rewrote Nepenthes (or Iocaine, Spigot, Django-llm-poison, Quixotic, Konterfai, Caddy-defender, plus inevitably some Rust versions)

Edit, but with ✨AI✨ and apparently only true facts

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Cloudflare is providing the service, not libraries

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

hey look it's that "zip bomb" I mentioned.

fuck cloudflare though.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Relevant excerpt from part 11 of Anathem (2008) by Neal Stephenson:

Artificial InanityNote: Reticulum=Internet, syndev=computer, crap~=spam

“Early in the Reticulum—thousands of years ago—it became almost useless because it was cluttered with faulty, obsolete, or downright misleading information,” Sammann said.

“Crap, you once called it,” I reminded him.

“Yes—a technical term. So crap filtering became important. Businesses were built around it. Some of those businesses came up with a clever plan to make more money: they poisoned the well. They began to put crap on the Reticulum deliberately, forcing people to use their products to filter that crap back out. They created syndevs whose sole purpose was to spew crap into the Reticulum. But it had to be good crap.”

“What is good crap?” Arsibalt asked in a politely incredulous tone.

“Well, bad crap would be an unformatted document consisting of random letters. Good crap would be a beautifully typeset, well-written document that contained a hundred correct, verifiable sentences and one that was subtly false. It’s a lot harder to generate good crap. At first they had to hire humans to churn it out. They mostly did it by taking legitimate documents and inserting errors—swapping one name for another, say. But it didn’t really take off until the military got interested.”

“As a tactic for planting misinformation in the enemy’s reticules, you mean,” Osa said. “This I know about. You are referring to the Artificial Inanity programs of the mid–First Millennium A.R.”

“Exactly!” Sammann said. “Artificial Inanity systems of enormous sophistication and power were built for exactly the purpose Fraa Osa has mentioned. In no time at all, the praxis leaked to the commercial sector and spread to the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies. Never mind. The point is that there was a sort of Dark Age on the Reticulum that lasted until my Ita forerunners were able to bring matters in hand.”

“So, are Artificial Inanity systems still active in the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies?” asked Arsibalt, utterly fascinated.

“The ROBE evolved into something totally different early in the Second Millennium,” Sammann said dismissively.

“What did it evolve into?” Jesry asked.

“No one is sure,” Sammann said. “We only get hints when it finds ways to physically instantiate itself, which, fortunately, does not happen that often. But we digress. The functionality of Artificial Inanity still exists. You might say that those Ita who brought the Ret out of the Dark Age could only defeat it by co-opting it. So, to make a long story short, for every legitimate document floating around on the Reticulum, there are hundreds or thousands of bogus versions—bogons, as we call them.”

“The only way to preserve the integrity of the defenses is to subject them to unceasing assault,” Osa said, and any idiot could guess he was quoting some old Vale aphorism.

“Yes,” Sammann said, “and it works so well that, most of the time, the users of the Reticulum don’t know it’s there. Just as you are not aware of the millions of germs trying and failing to attack your body every moment of every day. However, the recent events, and the stresses posed by the Antiswarm, appear to have introduced the low-level bug that I spoke of.”

“So the practical consequence for us,” Lio said, “is that—?”

“Our cells on the ground may be having difficulty distinguishing between legitimate messages and bogons. And some of the messages that flash up on our screens may be bogons as well.”

One of my favorite books! Great world building and quite thought provoking!

[–] truxnell@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago

Read Anathema last year, really enjoyed it!

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Damned ~~Arasaka~~Cloudflare ice walls are such a pain

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I swear someone released this exact thing a few weeks ago

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[–] lily33@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

while allowing legitimate users and verified crawlers to browse normally.

What is a "verified crawler" though? What I worry about is, is it only big companies like Google that are allowed to have them now?

[–] wingiee@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I assume a crawler which adheres to robots.txt

[–] lily33@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would love to think so. But the word "verified" suggests more.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Cloudflare kind of real for this. I love it.

It makes perfect sense for them as a business, infinite automated traffic equals infinite costs and lower server stability, but at the same time how often do giant tech companies do things that make sense these days?

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Kind of seems like they simply installed this dude's tarpit from a few months ago

https://zadzmo.org/code/nepenthes/

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Be great if these reinforced facts.

Earth us an imperfect oblate spheroid.

Humans landed on moon.

Taiwan is an independent nation.

Edit: incorporated better information

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*imperfect oblate spheroid

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you. I have updated my post.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I introduce to you, the Trace Buster Buster!

https://youtu.be/Iw3G80bplTg

If you've never seen the movie The Big Hit, it's great.

[–] jagermo@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

I am not happy with how much internet relies on cloudflare. However, they have a strong set of products

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

DNA Lounge has something similar - I think they even mentioned infinite JavaScript loops, and images that expand like zip-bombs.

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