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Trump says US will 'go as far as we have to' to get control of Greenland (abcnews.go.com)

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Summary

Trump stated the U.S. will "go as far as we have to go" to gain control of Greenland, citing national and international security needs.

JD Vance will visit Greenland’s Pituffik military base, scaling back a broader visit amid backlash from Greenland and Denmark.

Greenlandic Prime Minister Mute Egede condemned the move as "aggressive pressure" and insisted that "Greenland belongs to the Greenlanders."

Trump has repeatedly expressed interest in acquiring Greenland, asserting that U.S. control is essential for security.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 202 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

The United States is threatening invasion of a free and allied nation.

The media is complicit.

The population is complicit.

Edit: The military is complicit.

[+] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I mean, in a way, it's fair. We're not rising up to stop it in massive droves.

While there are valid reasons for why the US struggles with that (size, atomization of population, lack of job protections and jobs tied to healthcare, surveillance state), it's still valid for other nations to see that as capitulation.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Wage slavery and healthcare tied to your job is a hell of a drug, guys.

That’s less of an excuse than it is an explanation.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Right, which is why I advocate for fewer protests and more community organizing so we can care for each other outside of these broken ass systems. People are going to wait until after the last minute to start organizing ways to protect and care for each other, but that's America for you.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Yep. Protests are just being used at this point to root out dissidents. Mutual aid and sabotaging oppressive institutions where possible can be more effective ways for folks to participate in organized resistance without risking life and livelihood.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And despite my job being done easily online I have an RTO mandate and they might let me go just as easily as letting me work from another, less fascist, state.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Can’t have that corporate real estate underutilized

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[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Nobody wants to be the first person to “go there,” and really protest (beyond waving a few cleverly worded signs on the sidewalk). The first person to take protests to the next level (i.e., throwing fists, rolling cars over, occupying government buildings, confronting masked cops during kidnappings, showing up with arms, whatever) gets mowed down rather quickly.

Ineffective, and it gives the current admin the leverage to bring the hammer down quickly, before an opposition can recoup and really organize.

People are waiting for a critical mass, and “the moment,” when they’re assured that everyone else will turn out en masse at the same time to set shit ablaze, French-protester-style. But nobody knows when “that moment” will be, exactly. Or if it’ll ever come. So, who’s gonna go first?

And who wants to go at all? It’s easy to talk a tough talk when you’re young and you don’t have family depending on you for their survival. Then again, those with children also want their kids to have a country to grow up in that resembles the one we grew up in (or, optimally, far better). So, quite a pickle.

Perhaps “the moment” will never come anyway, and we’ll all just whimper our way into Fascism.

[–] Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Someone went first. But they might have went too early.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly.

We’ve all watched the kids die too while the USA culturally adopted an armed populace in defence of a rogue government and risks to freedom.

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[–] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We're not? What are all the protests ( growing in size) for then?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Protests /= violent resistance or building parallel systems so we can all go on general strike for a month.

General strike is our non-violent option, and violence is our, well, violent option. I'd prefer the former but I see a lot more protesting and a lot less organizing of community gardens and mutual aid networks.

We're up against a modern-surveillance-enabled police state and the largest military in the world. General strike to break the economy is the better option, imho. That requires organization and planning, not protests.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Protests don't hinder such organization though, and they can connect and embolden people. They're valuable as long as they're not all that gets done.

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Then do something about your mad king, else your inaction speaks volumes.

How does that saying go... "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What do you think the average German citizen should've done in 1939 to avoid condemnation?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This right here, the only Germans not remembered as Nazis are the ones who gave their lives or risked everything to stand for something other than Nazism. Those who hid Jews and others for their safety, who helped traffic them to safe countries, or spoke out and lost their lives for it. Everyone else is seen as a sympathizer at best.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are many of us protesting, writing our Congress members, voting, Educating ourselves in matters of law, having difficult conversations with friends and family members that are either ignorant or maliciously compliant, amongst many other things.

There are many of us (including myself) that are ready to pick up arms should it come to it and defend our nation against this absolute garbage situation.

The US certainly isn't perfect, no one could ever make that claim with a straight face. However there are a TON of good people here that are actively fighting this.

People like that, including myself, NEED YOUR SUPPORT more now than ever. Like it or not, we all depend on each other. Please don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. It's not fair to those of us that aren't complicit. It's hard enough dealing with this situation right now without all the armchair quarterbacks out there kicking us while we're down. What does that say about those people?

Maybe offer some helpful advice on how you all have dealt with struggles within your own nations. After all, everyone has some shit they're dealing with.

Please don't paint an entire country's population with the same brush. It's disingenuous and not a good faith argument.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I'm literally an American talking about the America I live in.

Also the only real solution when it comes to a surveillance police state and massive military is mutual aid and a general strike. We have to take care of each other outside capitalist systems or we will fail. Breaking the economy and hurting them in their pocketbooks is really the only solution, and even that will invite violence. Better to have a plan and play defense than try to take on a bigger bully and lose fast and early.

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[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (35 children)

Anyone who didn't vote is especially responsible.

Fucking dumbasses that they are.

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I literally can't tell the difference between the parties still. /s

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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The military is complicit.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

That’s so true that I’m gonna edit and add it.

[–] FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

I'm not complicit. You're complicit

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 95 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Welp. It was nice being in NATO while it lasted I guess.

You guys should definitely invoke article 5 if we pull anything, and if orangeboi vetoes it, straight up ignore him and A5 anyways. I am completely serious.

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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 months ago

That's basically a declaration of war against a NATO country.
The US should thus also bomb itself through article 5 when it decides to invade Greenland.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 45 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Fucking believe him. Take it as the threat that it is. Prepare immediately.

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[–] Aliktren@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

War with rest of Nato, really ?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 months ago

What better way to destroy NATO for the Russians?

[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Every fucking time he announces tariffs they hit the buy Greenland or make Canada a state bullshit button.

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[–] Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wish this man would finally do something beneficial for the world and just die already... preferably of a cheeseburger related causation (heart attack, stroke, or choke).

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[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Why? Why does he want greenland?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Strategic control of the melting Arctic, half of which is bordered by Russia and the other half by Greenland and Canada, both of which Trump wants to invade. Also a foothold in Greenland would be useful in an assault on Canada, whose resources both Putin and Trump want. Canada would be fully surrounded by the USA and Russia.

[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Okay, that makes sense, not good sense, but it's not just the inane ramblings of a mad man.

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[–] Hayduke@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Seems to be a combination of Putin sowing chaos, trump desperately wanting to be just like his comrade boyfriend by illegally annexing sovereign territory and just general dick-swinging. We already have a base there. I guess they just want to waste more money by occupying a tundra. He must have some contractors that he owes.

Time to toss him on his ass. I’m sick of this horseshit.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean, it's easy to just see it as dick-swinging... but they have a lot of natural resources and Trump is already speed-running strip-mining the USA of every last available resource. The wealthy are just done with America and its high standards of living, they don't want to bring up the rest of the world to our standards of living, they want to drag us down to match the rest of the world.

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[–] ChristmasApe@discuss.online 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Trying to rationalize anything on his agenda is just going to drive you nuts.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Is he actually threatening another NATO member with military action?

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

NATO countries should put out a statement that they are ready to defend Greenland from any incursion.

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[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

So when will the 3 day special operation begin?

[–] MCHumphry@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

Just a little imperialism we promise 🥸

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

god i was so happy when i heard he got shot and then he had to ruin it by surviving.

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