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[–] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I've been homeless twice. Thankfully I had a car and I could live out of it temporarily while I found some family to save my ass while I got back on my feet.

If I hadn't had family keep me from rock bottom it's hard to say if I would have pulled out of those situations on my own.

Unfortunately for many people they have little to no empathy for homeless because they have been lied to or attacked by homeless and they then view all homeless that way.

I remember once in my teens I skateboarded over to a sandwich place to get lunch for myself and my brother. On the way there I passed a homeless guy with a sign asking for "anything". I decided to get him a sandwich while I was there. Just a basic turkey sandwich or something as plain as I could think of. When I tried to give him the sandwich he threw it back at me and told me I should have just given him the money so he could get drunk.

That experience really tainted my view of the homeless from that day onwards. Then later in life I would have two different girlfriends get grabbed by homeless people over the years.

I have a buddy that lived downtown and the homeless people there were always breaking their windows and stealing their stuff. One of them set fire to the side of their house out of boredom. When the police came they just escorted him to the street and then left. He didn't get tried for arson or anything. The cops don't care. They have no system in place to deal with those people.

Its easy for people to have empathy for a group that they have never interacted with. Anyone who lives near homeless or regularly interacts with homeless people will tell you that not all of them are good people who just got abandoned by society. Some of them are evil bad people who have refused help or just don't want it. Most of them need mental support.

It's a very complicated issue and I dont think it has any easy or cheap solutions.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Same here on a few bad experiences trying to help

  • a guy asked for money to get a meal combo from McDonalds. I bought him the meal combo, so he keyed my car for not giving him cash
  • I suppose I can see this being taken the wrong way, but I tried emptying my pockets a few times, only for them to throw the counts on the ground. After that I started noticing homeless with coins on the ground around them

Realistically, it doesn’t matter anymore since I almost never have cash. They seem to know that world has gone too, as I’m rarely solicited anymore

[–] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I haven't carried any cash for years and most of the time I offer to buy them food they decline. Once in awhile they take me up on the offer and are thankful but I am still always a little worried they are gonna throw it in my face after that experience I had as a kid.

It's a shit situation all around.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, I try regathering my donations to a non-profit that helps but what little I can give is lost in the mess.

It seems like the best option

  • they provide the most beds of any shelter
  • most meals of any shelter
  • help getting jobs
  • and probably much more

As long as someone is willing to come in and gets there before it fills up ……

[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

My mom died when I was 20 and the old man sold the house and took off with anything of value while I was just out of electrical engineering and there was a big economic downturn in the early 90s .. I crashed on people's couches in crack house neighborhoods and sometimes slept under bridges or highway overpasses... Had no car - no job and lucked into a job at Sears selling PC's back when windows 3.11 was king. I earned enough to buy a bike and bike my way to work from wherever I was crashing and bought a damned pink barbie backpack from a tag sale for 2 bucks so I could bring my suit jacket and tie required in those days and I took a damned ribbing until I could get a better situation. People that have a fallback are lucky as hell and should consider themselves so.

[–] xorollo@leminal.space 5 points 22 hours ago

Homelessness is not only living on the street either. There are lots of housing insecurities. Some people may move back in with family but the location isn't safe or welcoming.

I've seen many young mothers face this exact situation, often even when that same family pressured her to carry the pregnancy to term.

[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My parents wouldn't even have the fucking space to let me stay.

And then we have people like musk, who grew up with a golden spoon and view those on social security as parasites.

[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 3 points 22 hours ago

For real. And I don’t. I always feel humbled when I see a homeless person because I’m just a hop and a skip away from being in their predicament. All it would take is an unfortunate event or two.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's almost like they're just regular people who simply experienced some bad luck.

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

it’s not bad luck. saying that is disingenuous.

homelessness of the societal nature and scale that is present in america rn is not the historical norm. it is absolutely despicable how western culture encourages extremist individualism to such a degree as to destroy communities. even today, in the fucking present, people not from the west often think it’s bonkers how callous and unfeeling the west is. it is not some sort of natural condition for society to hatefully cast aside its most vulnerable individuals to the wolves.

the oklahoma state government encouraged on their tourism board website a halloween themed “roadtrip” through all the “sp0oooOky OK ghost towns”… my friends and i saw it that year in high school and decided to go. do you know what we saw in these abandoned towns? a whole separate shadow society. there are millions, yes zero hyperbole, millions of unaccounted for people just here in america alone; having to build a community off the disgusting scraps of industrial civilization. millions of people not included in any sort of statistic or thought about by you or i. they’re forgotten in the most despicably sinful act against the sanctity of life itself. if there is a god, i can only hope he punishes the transgressions of our society that allowed this to come to term, normalized it even.

wake tf up. this is an attack on you, your friends, and your family. this is class warfare and these people are on the front lines. homelessness is a civil dunkirk. the images of the brother dying to overdose alone in the wilderness on the cold hard ground, the mother suffering the birth of her bastard of rape in the arms of only the cold & dark unfeeling city, the father attempting to slash his throat and leaking into a pathetic puddle of pitiful death on the alley floor, the sister wandering the wilds as her body gradually decays in spite of her divine spark of soulful life - these all should inspire a sense of community and pride that are ruthlessly held up by a white-hot rage against the machine. these people are not others. they are you. the beast prefers you not recognize yourself as its prey.

i’d consider myself an atheist. maybe a pantheist at most. but to so brazenly violate the tenet of love thy neighbor will be our greatest downfall. as the walls of modern society crumble down to the ebb of time people will not recognize their mistakes. people will run around, like headless chickens, in fear of consequences that have already came. if it is possible that some cosmic force will relent and save us some which way, i can only pray.

[–] Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago

Yep, anyone can be homeless.

If you sell your house and are between houses now, technically you are homeless but you're privileged you can live in a hotel or rent a storage unit and couch surf or if you have a friend or family member to stay with. If you have a job, you can still afford shelter and not lose everything. This was my family when my brother was a baby and we just stay with a friend for 2 months until we moved into our new house. Both of my parents had jobs. We were privileged.

If you're evicted because you lost your job or got sick so you were unable to afford to pay your rent. Not all landlords give you a grace period to get behind in rent when something out of your control happened. These people also lose everything if they had no friends or family to help out. If they live paycheck to paycheck, they couldn't save money. Many Americans are one paycheck away from homelessness. It just means if they get sick or get into an accident or lose their job, they're screwed.

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Forced Homelessness is the policy of many Governments and the DOJ in the United States as a means of punishing those they are after without any due process. Your ability to work or even have ID can be taken from you if they choose to do it. Your money can be taken. Your bank accounts can be frozen.

City, State and Federal Governments have been creating these zones where large numbers of homeless and poor people are forced into with a kind of virtual redlining. Usually, these are downtown areas in major cities, and then the system creates the ability to target them with systemic drug usage, even to the point of the government supplying pipes and needles for people to use. They are given just enough food to stay alive while forced into this position. No employers are going to hire anyone and it isn't like it used to be where someone can just walk into a factory and make enough money in cash to live for a week.

In many ways it is a public execution system that just operates very slowly and you'll only occasionally notice the dead body--- which even are often not recorded as a death correctly, and it's nothing you will see in the obituary sections of your newspapers. Imagine a system that lets tons of your former neighbors die slowly on the street while everyone walks by inside their little tech bubbles of safety, confident in the belief that it could never be them.

At some point, it's really about your view of a human life versus your value of money. At some point along the way, it was decided that the amount of money someone has at that point in time determines their value as a person to even keep existing, or to have basic rights...

If Governments wanted to solve the problem, they could find a building to put people in, they could force drug rehab on some, others probably should be in jail. The ones willing and able to work should be given the opportunity, with a path out of the state imposed public execution systems, and back to a life where they are capable of taking care of themselves.

[–] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

“When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.”

Well said!

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

No one should judge homeless people. It's easy to judge being in a privileged position, but without having experienced bad shit yourself you should just shut the fuck up. Maybe help the less privileged, otherwise you will be judged by my.

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[–] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

my view of homeless people changed forever when I learned that more than half of them were foster kids who aged out of the system and were left with no family or resources.

Jesus, that's dark.

[–] Luccus@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

Sure, it may sound bad when children become homeless. But have you ever thought about how much money it saves? Just think of all the good things we can afford with all that money!

Like anti-homeless park benches. Or those little speakers that emit ultra-high-pitched sounds so that young people don't … enjoy … existing somewhere or something, idk.

And just because I'm unable to actually satirize reality at the moment, yes, /s

[–] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yep... there's also a massive overlap with vulnerable groups like LGBT and disabled

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m gonna need a source on that second claim cause it doesn’t sound right

[–] butter@midwest.social 36 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think the second guy had it backwards.

Wikipedia (If you don't like it, use it's sources):

Nearly half of foster children in the US become homeless when they reach the age of 18

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's still really bad though

[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That's honestly worse.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Even worse a ward of the state loses ALL benifits permanently if they are convicted of any offense, guess how motivated social workers are to find an excuse? For anyone that's never been through these systems when you spend a lot of time with a social worker, I've never been more clearly threatened more credibily by anyone my entire life. I told one that I needed help with child care and they said ''you don't want to tell ME that, if you're having such a hard time watching your kids, maybe you need them removed by CPS, I can have an office over there before you get home if you'd like, or can you manage without talking to be about it?'' Imagine being 18, right out of foster care, trying to get enployment or training through health and human services, and they know all they have to do is get you on any technicality and case closed. I know they'd get you a job with a van picking you up, and let police have a look at your ID and run it to find any lapse. Had a cop pull over a van with 8 people, never even talked to the driver, just demanded everyone in the van give over ID and, clearly targeting, went right for one guy and ''found out'' he had failed to report the job we all started that day to his case worker who set up the job assignment, and got him charged right there. The business we were hired by was furious, because apparently they've lost vital numbers of workers this way, and the social workers did this fairly regularly, also the amount of times they send you paperwork that gets to you on the 9th, and had to be turned in by the 8th was VERY precise and consistant. The welfare state isn't about helping anyone, it's about reducing the burden on the tax prayer by any means necessary. They do not care about getting you kicked out permanently. They want your case closed.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 173 points 2 days ago (16 children)

fuck.

One in four foster kids will end up homeless.

https://nfyi.org/issues/homelessness/

up to 3 out of 10 homeless people are foster kids who aged out.

what the fuck.

I thought it was bad enough knowing about the veteran rights.

some of the studies show higher rates.

The studies. on the homeless children.

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[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Liberals are also to blame for gaslighting and selling workers out to the capital class for 50+ years. The last Democrat President that actually fought for the proletariat was FDR with his New Deal programs.

Yes, liberals were less evil than Republicans, but when Obama tried to give us universal healthcare they stabbed him in the back and when Bernie set multiple grassroot funding records, they conspired against him and stabbed the entire nation in the back. So if we factor in the opportunities for real leftist leadership that liberals stole from us than that opportunity cost is nearly as damaging as what Republicans are doing.

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[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 days ago

In addition to the appalling foster care kid stats for homeless, around 13% of homeless are veterans (obviously some qualify as both). Funny how support for the military dries up once they get discharged.

Then we have the complete lack of any kind of assistance for the mentally ill.

We shouldn't even pretend that we are civilized. We treat our fellow humans so barbarically.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 days ago

Two time boomeranging failson here.

I tried Lord how I tried. I fell flat on my face trying to make it on my own. Actually did wind up homeless for a stint. If I didn't have the option to crawl back home to lick my wounds, I'm not sure I would have made it.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I see things like this it makes me so proud of my parents. They are the few people I know who do foster care because they care. They have actual love for every kid that ever walked through their doors. They have had so far 3 kids that moved back home at one point or another and for all 3 of them the only question They ever asked was "how soon do you want to move in?"

At the same time stuff like this hurts me because I always thought unconditional love was the standard growing up. The knowledge that most people didn't / don't have that is so sad.

Anyway on a side note I am going to call my folks and tell them how great they are.

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