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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.

The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.

The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

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[–] asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

International law: Conducting and Support of Genocide is Illegal.

U.S./Germany law: Protesting Genocide is Illegal.

[–] 404UsernameNotFound@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It’s not delicate at all.

If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies.

—Jon Stewart

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Choosing between an incredibly bad lie to commit genocide and not committing genocide must be a hard choice for Germany, knowing their history and regret for their previous genocide

No wait, Germany is supporting genocide again.

"Germany has pledged unwavering support to a genocidal colonial apartheid" really is not the own Germans think it is.

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[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Why should anyone give a fuck about that?

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

If those EU citizens take it to EU court they’d probably win very easily. Can’t just take away freedom of movement, one of the tenets of the Union, without any due process. Seriously fuck the German politicians who pressured for this. Guess fascism is making a return, didn’t even need the AfD for that.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Albert Einstein is 100% correct.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel applying pressure on Germany.

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Israel the kings of the world?

Nah if the USA gets blamed (deserved) Germany gets fucking blamed (also deserved as the original fucking Nazis they shouldn’t have been forgiven, either).

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Germany, no....

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 129 points 3 days ago (19 children)

If you search for it, its only reported by two outlets. There is not a single German newspaper reporting this, including left wing or Berlin regional ones. Searching for the names in the articles returns no results linked to Berlin or Free Palestine at all. The name of the public official also turns up nothing.

Could be misinformation.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago

Already addressed this elsewhere so pasting the same comment; It is possible the American student contacted TheIntercept first. If TheIntercept is the first source then German media will likely pick up the story soon.

I also searched for the lawyer

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

Alexander Gorski is the same person who overturned Ghassan Abu-Sittah's ban from Germany which does lend a lot of credibility unless TheIntercept is straight up making up quotes from people out of thin air.

The International Centre of Justice for Palestinians (ICJP) announced in a social media post on Tuesday that it, along with lawyer Alexander Gorski and the European Legal Support Centre, had successfully challenged the travel ban imposed on Abu Sitta by Germany.

[–] Yareckt@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The Tagesspiegel as well. One of the German papers of middle size. They also asked sources independently.

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[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago

I was also sceptical but it seems to be generally true, however the details of it are way more complicated. Read for yourself if you know German or use a translator, one of the biggest Berlin newspapers picked it up and added details : https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-beteiligung-an-palastina-protesten-in-berlin-drei-eu-burgern-und-einem-studenten-aus-den-usa-droht-ausweisung-13468543.html

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago
[–] index@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Just yesterday people were cheering up germany government for rearming for war and everyone arguing against it was being downvoted.

https://lemmy.world/post/27602242

[–] Ponygirl42@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 days ago

I was there. It was weird.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

"I think re-arming doesn't do anything but spend money that could be better spent on helping people."

"Shut up, this is exactly what we need right now!"

"So you don't care about helping people?"

"That's a strawman!"

Wow it looks like we were right again, but still downvoted and removed. Odd how that always works.

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[–] IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 3 days ago

I fucking hate the timeline we're living in

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Fash support fash. Germany has been supporting genocide for a long time.

It's really amazing how liberals will completely accept genocide up until the very second that it affects them.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It is heart breaking to see Germany begin to give in to fascism again. What happened to "never again!" ???

[–] musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

It's because: "this time it's different"

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago

Fucking disgusting.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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