I dunno. There have been some pretty annoying people throughout history. Might be more accurate to say "for not being an atheist."
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Not for lack of wanting to... Hooray for impulse control.
Stalin was an atheist and he was responsible for killing at least 6 million people.
Not directly. The conman Lysenko, originator of Lysenkoism was. Lysenkoism has nothing particularly to do with socialism/communism. Stalin didn't aim intentionally to create mass starvation in Soviet Russia. Nor did Mao in China, these were issues of understanding science which we taken for granted today but weren't well understood at the time.
Wikipedia:
Before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the archival revelations, some historians estimated that the numbers killed by Stalin's regime were 20 million or higher.[5][6][7] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives was declassified and researchers were allowed to study it. This contained official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[8][9][10][11][12] around 1.5 to 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag,[13][14][15] some 390,000[16] deaths during the dekulakization forced resettlement, and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported during the 1940s,[17] with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[18] According to historian Stephen Wheatcroft, approximately 1 million of these deaths were "purposive" while the rest happened through neglect and irresponsibility.[2] The deaths of at least 5.5 to 6.5 million[19] persons in the Soviet famine of 1932–1933 are sometimes included with the victims of the Stalin era.[2][20]
So we're just going to ignore the ~800k executions and the ~1.5M gulag deaths?
Where's it say to do that?
Why would correcting one point of fact mean ignoring another? That's not how truth works.
Two statements can both be true at the same time.
You were making a case that Stalin wasn't responsible for the holodomor, but you ignored the fact that even without that, he's still directly responsible for at least 2 million deaths.
I never said he wasn't. That number in fact comes from the text I posted. However, he wasn't "responsible" for causing Holodomor (he directed it once it had already been caused). It's clear you still don't know what Lysenkoism is.
He was responsible for directing the hunger politically, not for seeking to, or being the cause of the famine.
I'll simplify it:
If one person turns a tap on and another directs the water, who is responsible for the fact the tap is on?
I'm saying Lysenko and Lysenkoism (which has little to do with socialist and communist doctrine or schools of thought) is the man who turned the tap on. Stalin, being an authoritarian - chose to direct the water to what suited him politically. But the famine at that point was already happening. You can't just turn an agricultural disaster off once it sets in.
Okay, but even if you remove the ~6 million deaths from the holodomor, he still remains responsible for the ~800k executions and ~1.5 M gulag deaths. I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about that.
You seem to think I denied those numbers rather than being the person who pasted them to you.
No, but you keep talking past them.
Past the numbers I told you about.
I'm done here - you're having a conversation with yourself at this point. I addressed the topic I addressed (the deaths from starvation Lysenkoism caused).
That's immaterial. Stalin probably didn't execute any of those 800k people himself, but he's still responsible because he ordered their deaths. Likewise, it was him who put Lysenko into a position of power where he could cause the holodomor, so he's at least partly responsible.
It's as if you're arguing Hitler wasn't responsible for Mengele's torture experiments because it wasn't him who was conducting them.
I feel you don't know much about these subjects.
Trofim Lysenko
The downfall of Soviet genetics and agriculture occurred due to the alignment of numerous social, economic, scientific, meteorological, and political factors. No single person can bear complete blame for the events, but a crucial actor in the story was Trofim Lysenko. Lysenko was born to a Ukrainian...
https://www.storybehindthescience.org/lysenkoism
I also think you're arguing just to argue rather than doing something more useful. As I said earlier, neither Mao or Stalin were aiming for a famine, where as Hitler was most definitely aiming for a mass genocide. So your comparison is full of shit.
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