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Full title: Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version "to access a decade-old, discontinued video game"

Ubisoft's lawyers have responded to a class action lawsuit over the shutdown of The Crew, arguing that it was always clear that you didn't own the game and calling for a dismissal of the case outright.

The class action was filed in November 2024, and Ubisoft's response came in February 2025, though it's only come to the public's attention now courtesy of Polygon. The full response from Ubisoft attorney Steven A. Marenberg picks apart the claims of plaintiffs Matthew Cassell and Alan Liu piece by piece, but the most common refrain is that The Crew's box made clear both that the game required an internet connection and that Ubisoft retained the right to revoke access "to one or more specific online features" with a 30-day notice at its own discretion.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Oh look. Yet another reason to continue my Ubisoft boycott.

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[–] PancakeTrebuchet@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Things like this make it really easy for me to not buy anything from Ubisoft.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

You're right, Ubisoft. I CAN'T complain about not owning the game. I never bought it. You know.....because it's an Ubisoft game!

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago

If buying isn't owning, surely that means pirating isn't stealing.

[–] arc@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

I think there is an implication that if you buy a game which is online by nature (e.g. an MMO) that the servers can and will shut down eventually. My cupboard is filled with defunct MMOs. And people do not "own" any commercial software per se, they run it under licence.

So I don't see that Ubisoft has any legal obligation here. But as a good will gesture they really should put the server code in escrow, or open source chunks of it so that games can continue to enjoy life after the company itself has no economic incentive to continue running it.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They’re right but it would be great if companies had to allow self hosting for products they make money from

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think I didn’t buy or play anything Ubisoft since Far Cry 4? And even that was more of an accident.

So from my perspective Ubisoft is that one flaccid one night stand who is still screeching about stuff while I moved on years ago.

Edit: I just checked. I didn’t even buy Far Cry 4. Oh whoops.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

What I love about being a broke bitch retro gamer is that I own my games. I have a Tetris cartridge that is older than I am and still works. The batteries on some of my GB and GBA carts have died, but that’s something I can fix. No one can send a stealth update to my Sega Genesis that forces me to create on an account to play or even bricks it somehow. There’s no room for human shit behavior, just a war against the realities of mechanical decay. (And it’s easy to rip ROMs in case of the inevitable.)

Older generations of gaming are well preserved. I don’t think the past ten years or the future will be. “Games as a service” is too big a draw - the goal is to turn everything into a subscription model because why make money once when you can make it forever?

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why I will always have some nostalgia for physical media. I still got CDs I bought in the 90s (which I've copied onto my hard drives a long, long time ago) and while they need a like coaxing to work at times, they are forever mine and no one can take them from me.

I was very hesitant to go on steam specifically for their 'you don't own shit even if you paid and followed the rules' garbage.

[–] keen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Steam is crazy in how it's still usable and not completely enshittified after existing for so many years. I don't know how they do it

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's called staying away from venture capital. It really is as simple as that. Because Valve has a lucrative business model they have no need or desire to raise capital from outside investors, therefore there is nobody to squeeze them for value at the expense of their customers.

If you watch Cory Doctorow's talk where he coined the word "enshittification" he explains how the process works, and it starts with outside investment. Enshittification is just a catchy term for value extraction, from the perspective of the customer.

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[–] robdor@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

Ubisoft can't be mad at me for not burying any of their games because they don't make any games.

[–] ihatefascist@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Give it another 5 years and Ubisoft will be dead, what was the last Ubisoft game without controversy/bad gameplay? I gotta go back 10 years or so

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[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Take them to small claims for theft. I'll bet they don't show up. Then they won't pay you, so you get a court order and sheriff to recoup your money in assets. Take anything you want and put it on eBay. Collect your money.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Gaslighting. That's a new strategy and a new low.

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“You will own nothing and like it”

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Tell you what customers absolutely can do: decide to stop doing business with you.

[–] RFBurns@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The use of the words 'buy', "own" or 'purchase' in connection with DRM rental should be an international felony, and grounds for immediate break-up of businesses that use them.

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And people will still defend this company

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Does anyone defend them? I think what happens is that people get mad at them but then still buy the games anyway because they're absolute fucking idiots. I believe this is what happens.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

Ubisoft doesn’t have to support the game forever.

They can either open up hosting to players or give refunds but they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

[–] enkonju@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I actually enjoyed the first two Crew games and probably would have checked out Motorfest by now if they didn't remove the first game from my library. But now, why should I ever buy another Ubisoft game when I don't know how long they'll bless me with the ability to play the games I've paid for? They even included expiration dates for their game keys and they're acting like those dates were completely meaningless. So, even if they try to add an end of life date for future purchases, how would I know they're not lying like they did with these original keys?

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I've been increasingly frustrated with clickbaity coverage and headlines. Credit to Polygon for being just as obviously opinionated as Gamesradar but titling and writing their piece way more professionally.

I mean, yeah, Ubisoft's lawyers are arguing that the arguments of a lawsuit against them are wrong, that's hardly surprising. Given that they're being sued for taking down an online game they would certainly argue that they had no obligation to keep the game online indefinitely.

It's an interesting case and there are... creative arguments on both sides, but being mad that Ubisoft would argue that the text of their EULA applies seems so weird.

For the record, and because I'll be hounded for this, I've signed all relevant petitions to request regulation about digital ownership that creates an obligation to provide offline versions or access to server code. I'm all for making it illegal to build planned obsolescence into software. That doesn't mean I'm not bothered with bad journalism that I happen to agree with.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Fuck Ubisoft.

If you want a good open world racing game, well Motor Town: Behind The Wheel isn't strictly a racing game.. nor technically even focused on being a racing game, it is an open world driving job simulator and there are lots of sports cars and you can do lots of jobs where you are racing against a clock.

There is also multiplayer and a custom race system (as well as actual race tracks interspersed in the world).

The reason I really recommend it though is the driving feels better then just about any other game I have ever played, especially tire grip modelling. I don't know how to describe it other than it makes me uninterested in driving cars in most other games lol.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1369670/Motor_Town_Behind_The_Wheel/

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