Do Israel, USA & Germany next
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shipping people to a concentration camp in el salvador without any due process sounds like a violation of many laws to me.
You know what's freaking terrifying?
I use Nextdoor on occasion (a social media app specifically for localized neighborhoods), because it helps with safety or lost pets or something occasionally...
...but lately there's been some tesla vandalism going on, and there's SO MANY comments like "Give them 20 years" and "Send them straight to El Salvador." and "Domestic terrorism!"
I used to resent isolation and lack of community...but now I really don't wanna meet my neighbors anymore...
I want to believe a quieter majority of us aren't cool with shirking due process and shipping U.S citizens to foreign prison camps, if that wasn't bad enough, for property damage of all justifications...but geeze.
I want to believe a quieter majority of us aren’t cool with...
After the results of the last election, I cannot delude myself any longer. We're surrounded by fascist, imbecilic weirdos I'm afraid. The only thing we can do at this point is become louder and hope to pull defectors into our ranks.
There also is some amount of hope that can be obtained by the fact that this is a very large, very disorganized country that contains all kinds of people. That'll make ruling over all of us with an iron fist practically impossible to pull off. Unless, of course, we allow it.
I'm not ok with shipping anyone to foreign prison camps. There's zero reason why we should ever do that, with exception of a valid extradition request from another country.
Oh 110% agreed. Big time.
I can even understand if it were a bit of debate, for the very worst offenses or something. (Not that I'd agree, but I can understand people debating it.)
I think I was more aghast at how people were frivolously suggesting gulag camps without the slightest moral ponderance over....
(Flips pages)
....Keying off some car paint...
Suburbanites can be a special kind of evil.
The fastest way to tell if something is the right thing to do is to ask whether or not Orange Julius Caesar opposes it.
Wonder why they are holding trials for the war crimes which their own politicians are not involved in, and not for the genocide which their own politicians are involved in.
Lol you have to win first. Holding trials in absentia of a sovereign nation with no teeth is meaningless lip service. Fight back and win first, then you can pat yourselves on the back bringing justice.
Lol at Trump thinking he can treat the world however the fuck he wants all while keeping the good will and soft power we have spent the decades since WWII building. What a damn tool, we are not getting that soft power back for years now after his escapades, if EVER
I am all for this but you need to beat Ruzzia first. You need to roll in and whip their asses and arrest every criminal left alive. Then and only then have a worldwide televised trial as a warning to all other fascists. Then you turn and look at Trump and Israel and tell them you are next if you don't get your shit together.
This is just propaganda - how objective will this tribunal be when you know what kind of "wars of aggression" the UK, Israel or the US have done and are still doing?
And no this is not whataboutism - it's about truthfulness and moral standing. Invasion if Iraq and Afghanistan, decades of foreign policies, occupation and oppression of Palestinians, meddling and regime change of countries. If it's only a crime of aggression if the other side does it, then it's simply a farce or a show trial that will not prevent future crimes of aggression.
You are first and foremost responsible for your own actions. And only then responsible for holding others responsible.
Just to avoid catching ire for adding nuance, I want to preface everything by stating that the nazi regime was obviously a criminal scourge upon humanity, and it's perpetrators entirely irredeemable. If the nazi regime was ever falsely accused of anything, it will always just be irrelevant little details, in the face of the sheer bulk of provable horrors committed by them, their collaborators, and the weight is on the shoulders of everyone within their borders, who was of legal age and sound mind, and who didn't do anything to resist.
With that out of the way, the descendants of the Allies should stop swallowing the propaganda of their forefathers raw, and instead try to take an honest, critical look on this part of their past.
The fact of the matter is, the Nürnberg trials were a farce, more a show trial and a kangaroo court, of Victor's parading around the defeated, conducted on a legal basis that didn't exist, with many punishments (executions) being violations of the inalienable human rights that were soon after proclaimed by the victors, as an encodification of the core values that they claimed to espouse.
The trials were a mockery. Surely, it would have been possible to prosecute and punish anyone deserving of it, by the laws of the pre-1933 Weimar Republic, which, contrary to popular belief today, was not abolished in a legal manner in the first place, and so would still have jurisdiction.
Anyway, the Nürnberg trials are an awful ideal to shoot for - especially when we today finally (and fairly recently) have managed to establish a proper International Criminal Court, with authority and legal basis to dispense real justice against the perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Recognise that court, and insist on it carrying out justice. When you ignore thst court in discourse, and choose to hold up an 80 year old mock trail as the standard of justice, that just makes it all the easier for any future victor to quickly carry out their own kangaroo courts, executing based on what's politically convenient, while slowing the path towards a legal world order.
That's a very good take too. I just saw this video Why Justice for Ukraine AND Russia Goes Through South Africa which has another interesting take - that admission of guilt and confessing the truth towards the victim is sometimes better for reconciliation than a trial that is about the court prosecuting and the accused defending, denying and finding excuses. But I doubt that either is realistic in the near future.
I'm not sure what your point is frankly.
You are first and foremost responsible for your own actions.
So you think countries should recognize and punish themselves for "being the bad guys"?
Do you see any country as having the "required moral standing" to judge others?
So you think countries should recognize and punish themselves for “being the bad guys”?
I think people and journalists should be educated and informed so they can see it for the theater it is. If the people of a democracy can't see the evil their own countries have been doing or do not have the means to change anything, then those leaders pointing the fingers at others for the same shit becomes nothing but a distraction.
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Britain is a fucking joke.
Two countries didn't sign that agreement. Who cares what the US and israel think about it. However just like a low functioning sovereign citizen I hope both current leaders are subject to that court despite their disbelief in it validity.
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