Because he’s the one currently tanking the economy. Fuck Trump - even as a conservative, I can say that he and the current Republicans are awful. They singlehandedly pushed me into becoming a conservative Democrat since 2015-2016. Blue Dog Democrat or whatever.
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Remember when Republicans seemed concerned with reducing debt? Guess some may still say that but look what's happening with spending now at the same time they are cutting everything, and still looking to increase tax cuts for top earners. 😩
Remember when Republicans seemed concerned with reducing debt?
Literally no. Please tell me when this was.
They've long said it, but never shown it through actions. Just used it as a cudgel to beat social programs.
every time we had a D president, the concern goes away it's an R in office and then spending goes through the roof.
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I remember when a democrat balanced the budget and gave the US a surplus from 1998-2001
And destroyed the economy as a result.
Public sector growth (federal budget surplus) is private sector atrophy.
You can keep the charade going through risky debt, like mortgage-backed securities. But since there’s no new money entering the economy, those will eventually collapse. And they did.
Whatever flaws the Clinton plan had, it was followed by 9/11 and GWB/Obama so I’m not sure how you go back and blame Clinton for that? This feels like blaming Clinton for not having a perfect solution.
I’m not super interested in blame here. Clinton did something dumb. GWB didn’t undo it.
But neither of them invented this obsession with retiring the US debt — which would in fact retire the US dollar.
It’s not the first time we’ve balanced the budget, after all.
History tells the tale. The federal government has achieved fiscal balance (even surpluses) in just seven periods since 1776, bringing in enough revenue to cover all of its spending during 1817-21, 1823-36, 1852-57, 1867-73, 1880-93, 1920-30 and 1998-2001. We have also experienced six depressions. They began in 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893 and 1929.
Do you see the correlation?
The one exception occurred in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when the dot-com and housing bubbles fueled a consumption binge that delayed the harmful effects of the Clinton surpluses until the Great Recession of 2007-09.
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So you were fine with decades of hate for minorities and what not, it’s the economy doing shit that you can’t tolerate?
nice bro, someone announces they're reluctantly coming closer to our camp- attack them! good job
Look I get it, some of you are fine being in bed with the right wing and are happy moving further to right than ever standing for something.
I’m not.
This person did not stop being a conservative. The only motivation they have for not supporting Trump is the economy.
maybe. its possible there are other semi-conscious awakenings inside this person as well. cognitive dissonance makes it very, very difficult to admit you were wrong. we can't expect people to do a 180. the people on the right win elections because they run a big tent. I personally believe the left(more-ish) in america loses elections largely due to purity tests.
anyway, its hard to say what's inside someone's head. I say if someone is willing to vote blue for "the economy" they're welcome in the tent. with any luck, the influence of the other people they're no longer knee-jerk hostile to will rub off over time, issue by issue.
since 2015-2016
Hah, I would be ecstatic if we had a Romney now instead of what we do have. Or even a McCain. Or hell, even a GWB as long as he wasn't allowed to invade anywhere.
Welcome friend. We may not be as cult like as Maga, but at least our representatives are worthless.
20% said both of their policies are equally to blame
What the fuck is wrong with 20% of respondents? I can understand blaming it on Biden better than I can understand this response.
They know it's trump's fault but they voted for him so they have to say biden was just as bad for the economy to justify their decision to themselves. That's my theory.
Yep. Trump cultists absolutely can't admit when they are objectively wrong, even as their small business crashes, their investments and retirement shrink or their spouse is deported.
It is a serious personality flaw.
Trump can’t fail us, we can only fail Trump.
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They're absolutely checked out and ignorant. They have no idea what either's policies actually were and they aren't even paying enough attention to get brainwashed into MAGA, so they just hedge by blaming both.
Those are the vast majority of non-voters who sleepwalked us into fascism, BTW. The Gaza protest types the neolibs keep trying to scapegoat, although indeed idiots who cut off their noses to spite their face, were way too few to be the real cause of Harris's loss.
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In my limited interaction with people who have moved away from Trump, there seems to be a "well they all actually fucking suck" stage in the middle. Would guess it's that.
In any other presidential term, that can be a fair assessment only a few months in. The economy can be compared to a Panamax oil tanker - it moves with huge momentum and can’t be steered quickly.
But this tariffs nonsense detonated a bomb below the waterline. You may not be able to steer the ship quickly, but deliberate sabotage can absolutely cripple it and spread damage everywhere. Quarterly 401(k) statements are being sent out, plus it’s tax season, so people are very in touch with how this is impacting them and their money
They are ruled by their hatred, and MAGA is a hate group.
Radical centrist brainworms
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"Blame the economy on Biden"
You mean the metrics showing that under Biden at the end we had one of our strongest economies in our nation's history? Of course, all of the excess wealth was going to the 1%, so average dumb red hat wouldn't have noticed.
Polling is irrelevant now anyway. There won't be another free election anytime soon.
Of course, all of the excess wealth was going to the 1%, so average dumb red hat wouldn't have noticed.
Maybe most of it, but certainly not all. Real wages were consistently going up under Biden, especially for the bottom 10% of earners. This isn't as apparent as it should be partially because he did fuck all to combat price gouging.
Real wages were consistently going up under Biden
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/06/competing-narratives-on-real-wages-incomes-under-biden/
Real wages were up since the beginning of the pandemic in 2019, but not up since Biden's term began in 2021. If measuring specifically Biden's term, wages did not keep up with inflation. This is complicated by the fact that job losses mostly clustered around lower income workers in the pandemic, so their re-entering the workforce dragged the dataset down.
Basically, it's complicated.
A big problem Democrats had in the election was refusing to acknowledge real problems in the economy, though. They tried to paint a mixed situation as wholly good and told suffering people that they're stupid for believing their lying eyes.
gov going full fascist, journalists pretending polling matters
let the music continue until the titanic is fully sunk
Before the next election: "I declare the Democratic party a terrorist organization!"
Poll "problem" solved. At the rate we're going I really don't doubt this. :/
Inflation drops precipitously under Biden, gets blamed for inflation.
Make it make sense.
I told you Bidenomics was going to increase inflation. Now, who do you believe, Me, your God, or your lying eyes?
God's not real, so lying eyes, 10 out of 10 times.
You do not worship me enough, deported
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The economy is being used to distract from the crimes of his followers. Too much concentration on that and not enough on how he wants send US citizens to a prison in a foreign country without any real due process.
Concentration is a good word for this, as in camps.
Its why I used that word.
Oh no, Trump is polling poorly? Surely if he wants to be elected again he will change course...
"You idiots put me in power and I'm not leaving, don't care."
It's cute that people think voters opinions are going to matter much longer.
They do still rely heavily on their base being supportive as their power base. This is also drivibg a lot of people in minor positions of power not to resist. If that were to evaporate significantly I could could see things changing significantly.
But I doubt it will.
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions.
This is Trump, he's immune from all consequences.
It’s funny that it usually takes a while for policies to take effect, but 45 and 47 have taken actions to make the effect occur in what must be considered instantaneous in government
It usually takes awhile for the new guy's policies to really turn the ship. This time...
Surveyed 2400 people. Out of that miniscule portion of the population, those were the results.
MAGAts are still fully stuck to drumpfs ass like remora. They will NEVER change their minds.
i mean yeah, that's how polling works. you ask a representative slice of the population and extrapolate from there. did you want them to ask all 340 million americans?
looking at another poll conducted by yougov around april 5th-8th, they had a distribution of 48% harris voters to 50% trump voters
i think you're somewhat right though, considering that in that same poll, 81% of "maga republicans" (unsure how they defined that) said they approved of trumps recent tarrifs, with 11% unsure and 7% disapproving source
True believers will blame anyone and everyone else but Trump. It's been amusing watching the excuses get more and more convoluted. It's especially ridiculous because several times on the run-up to the election, Trump mentioned that if he had ONE DAY in office, he'd fix things.
Now he's in and it's either "well, things are real tricky" or "Biden has crippled us for generations". Totally embarrassing, but it's nothing I didn't expect.
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Oh no, he is only supported by 150 million people bow. So sad.
Good for the voters.
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