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[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 hours ago

USA is Number 1! ... In denial.

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 27 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly we’ve been fucked since 2016.

[–] all4theTomatoes@lemm.ee 21 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think many Americans can agree we were fucked ever since Ronald Reagan took office.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 165 points 9 hours ago (8 children)

From my perspective in Canada, there’s nothing the US can do to unfuck this situation.

Let’s say folks unseated Comrade Spraytan somehow and reversed all of his policies. I would still never trust their country again with economic or security dependence in the way that much of the world has enabled in the status quo.

It was the American voters who selected this foolishness, not once but twice. They and their country will not be trusted for a generation or maybe longer. They threw away a very good thing for them because of abject greed, and now it’s gone forever.

[–] KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

As an American I know I will never look at America or other people the same way again. The last few months have opened me to ideas I never considered before and have completely changed how I view myself and even the people I used to trust. This is certainly the Gen Y/Z generation-wide trauma event. I'm not sure the AIDS epidemic was even this bad. Government negligence is one thing. This is complete disregard for the law.

[–] al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 5 hours ago

I have news for you if you think the aids epidemic was negligent and not intentionally reckless because it was a "homosexual" disease.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 66 points 9 hours ago (13 children)

And the problem isn’t Trump but rather the 30-40% that voted fir him

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

That 30-ish% (or more) of Americans like and support fascism is a real problem. Its been a real problem for... roughly all of human history that 1/3 of us are selfish monsters that lack empathy.

Trump stole the election. He announced he would, his lackeys did extensive voter suppression work, and then he bragged about doing it afterwards. He didn't win a fair election, and it's disgusting that the narratives have fully blown past that.

The wealthiest people on Earth believe that we're in an "end game" of some sort, and that now is the time to do everything in their considerable power to consolidate rule before the big collapse sets in. This isn't an America problem, it's a World Class War and the USA isnt even the first battlefield, just currently the most visible failure of the lower classes to fight back.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Out of ~250 million eligible voters (legally able, 18 or over, etc) roughly 32% voted for trump.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Trump stole the election.

I would very easily believe that Trump did, but I'm still going to need to see your source.

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[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 59 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Its a global class war the Australian Murdoch family is a huge reason Americans vote they way they do. Also it has bled into Canada. The freedom convoy and people like Lauren Southern are paid shills for foreign billionaires.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 25 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

And Eastern European oligarchs and Middle Eastern oil tycoons who are bankrolling it. It's not an America thing lol

[–] zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago

Not only an American thing. However it definitely is an American thing.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

The Murdochs all have American citizenship and don’t live in Australia.

Literally only Rupert was born in Australia, all the others are from Britain and the US.

[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I guess dumping all your trash in America makes your spawn American. Must be nice to throw all your unwanted somewhere to take no responsibility for your countries poison people. if you send them elsewhere it's their problem now and you can claim you're not part of it while exporting your own toxic people.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Must be nice being a racist who thinks the immigrants and their children can’t be American.

[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My entire region voted for Kamala try again.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And yet you think Murdoch and his children who are all American citizens living in America aren’t American?

[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No. I can see cause and effect.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 2 hours ago

The cause is he got granted American citizenship, the effect is he is an American.

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[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

There's a lot of money to be made by selling stuff to the US. I'll be surprised if Canadian companies and trading agreements didn't revert to their pre-Trump arrangements within a few years of him leaving office.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, you misunderstand me.

Absolutely yes, people will continue to trade with the US after a few years. Hell, they are still doing it today!

What’s different is the level of dependence the rest of the world will enable in the future. Their special status no longer applies; and there is no trust they will be good actors in the future.

Long term cooperation will be built in anticipation of likely irrational and volatile behaviour. Something like the integrated North American auto industry or aligning with the US as primary defence contractor or intelligence, these mistakes will be not be repeated.

There will continue to be trade, but across the world a higher priority will be given to domestic production and alternative suppliers for critical products. For example Canada had been slowly retreating from our protectionist policies on dairy — but instead I expect these to now be strengthened. I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for military equipment, semiconductors, financial and digital services, and more.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Their special status no longer applies

Their special status is money, a productive economy, and a massive military. Trump may damage those attributes, but I suspect the US will generally retain them.

And other countries will line up to get access to that trough. Even if governments don't want to buddy up, the moneyed classes in those countries will agitate to get access to that market.

I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for...

During COVID we said we were going to start producing our own vaccines, pharmaceuticals, and PPE. We said we would address the crisis in Canadian healthcare. In the three-ish years since the end of lockdowns, we've settled back into our pre-covid rut.

Post-Trump, it will be the same. As long as the US is a huge market, we'll eventually settle back into the NAFTA rut.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

It’s not just money, it’s the realization that we are nothing to them. It’s the betrayal of seeing someone you thought was a friend stab you in the front without remorse.

So I do believe it is different this time. Perhaps history will reveal you to be correct — PP yipping about being “Americas best friend” indicates at some think the old status quo will return — but I don’t think so.

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Will he ever leave office?

Also, Trump isn't the only reason all of this shit is going down. It's the entire Republican party. It's every ICE agent, it's the Supreme Court deciding a president is above the law, America is rotten to the core.

Richest country on the planet with plenty of land, many climates allowing a diverse range of crops, and various resources like oil and ores. And they've fucked it, just to get their hands on more and more dollars, to what purpose? Greedy fucks.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Will he ever leave office?

He's an old man. Either Americans will get rid of him, or he'll die of old age.

America is rotten to the core.

Is that new? The US has/had many great attributes, but they've never been as good as their PR pretends. Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, Iraq, Vietnam, the CIA, etc.

Richest country on the planet ... Greedy fucks.

I can't disagree.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 17 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

We were already completely fucked. We knew this in the 70's and reconfirmed it in 2023. With Trump reinstalled, we're extra super-duper double-stamp no-erasies fucked.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 35 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Martial law in maybe 5 days...

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

why. hes doing everything he could under martial law now without having to declare it.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 2 hours ago

On April 20th his goons submit a report answering whether to call up the military to address the "crisis". It's theater to escalate further.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Because April 20th was always the plan...

Likely because it's hitlers b-day.

Have you legitimately not heard that date between project 2025 leaking and now?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago
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