Why not?! We’ve already decided corporations are people, and people are not people; this is just par for the fucking course.
Goddamnit.
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I feel like the rise of corporate personhood is the elephant in the room this article seems to avoid acknowledging.
The same ones listed in the article. Property ownership, speech, privacy, etc.
Its only a matter of time till we get companies run entire by AI.
We kept asking in scifi if ai could ever be given the status of a legal human.
We failed to ask if capitalism has already build in a bureaucratic loophole that just gives it to them.
Its only a matter of time till we get companies run entire by AI.
I don't think that will change much. Companies have been acting inhumane for decades without the aid of AI.
I actually replied a similar thing to someone else.
Here i am specifically speaking about the bureaucratic path a non human could use to obtain person rights.
Corpo can do no wrong, literally legal kill shiti organics and the state provides with state aid on top and makes legal frameworks for the profit seeking behaviours.
What benefits does it get them?
Alright. I think I’ve had enough Lemmy for today. Don‘t wanna get too depressed before lunch.
I had the same visceral reaction reading the title of this post
Aaaand the winner of the election is the guy who was rich enough to afford the most AI to vote for him with 99.9999% of the 15 trillion votes cast.
I think "personhood" refers to the ability to sign contracts though. It has nothing to do with voting.
Oh fuck me! The standard of living has already taken such a giant nose dive during my lifetime. First it was corporations and now this shit? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Very good article.
this all sounds really bad and stuff, until you realize that ai CEOs wouldn't necessarily give themselves vast amounts of money. ngl other than the stuff with copyright this doesn't sound too bad.
weird to think that the richest people in the world wouldn't try to get more money, that's their entire thing
The hope is they put the thing on auto pilot and then it replaces the CEO without them knowing due to their own hubris.
AI CEOs would be trained on human CEOs so they absolutely would.
I mean an AI CEO doesn't wanna buy a $500 million boat to show off, it would just keep the money in the company and reinvest it somewhere.
Both are true.
The first ai companies will be prompted by Humans.
A vast majority will be for profit. People want the ai to do the hard company work and collect the profit in their sleep as “owner” of the ai agent.
A good few people will do exactly the same but request non profit style and ethical focus.
Till we get to a mythical stage of agi that can actually decide globally if it thinks a company should exist or not and what purpose it should have, this is more or less same as the status quo.
Till we get to a mythical stage of agi that can actually decide globally if it thinks a company should exist or not and what purpose it should have, this is more or less same as the status quo.
This will never happen because why would the humans in power let an agi exist that is beneficial towards the general public? The idea that agi will ever be a beneficial replacement for humans certainly is a myth.
I never started “beneficial”
Its entirely possible that ai agents build, regardless of whose interest, keep running after their original owner dies.
If the job is “become an industrialist, expand and drop % of all profits on this bank account” and its actually competent it could lead to industry itself being more and more monopolized by fewer and fewer ai.
That would halt the status quo where many human agents create companies for different reasons and industry is an ethical melting pot. Thats what i meant.
Till that point in time the morality of ai businessmen is not different in effect then a human businessmen. Once that point. This morality shifts into either extinction or thrive for humankind.
The problem is with humanity giving up control to machines.
I mean, humanity (especially in the West) has already given up large amounts of power to corporate CEOs, which can be modelled as soulless machines well enough, but installing AI would take it even one step further.
AI could never be considered a person because you have to be human for that to apply. Even if it was a human and we uploaded it, that still wouldn’t apply. You need a pulse. Or at the very least, your head.
"personhood" by the law only refers to the ability to sign contracts.
companies and states already have that.
what you're talking about is a "natural person".
I’m talking about whatever nomenclature people think will be used to put a fucking TV with a face on the stand so it can defend its right to liberty and the same protections afforded to it as we afford to us.
Never happen.
Call it whatever you want.
It's already happened. The corporations who own the "AI" are already "people". They don't put the "corporation" on the stand but a bunch of lawyers. It's not a big step at all from "AI" being "human". Neither corporations nor "AI" are actually people. Just put some lawyers up there.
There was a trial with a TV on the stand?? Link?
You do realize that corporations have legal personhood?
Also certain rivers and forest can be legal person by law to protect their interests.
Wow I wonder which has meaningful power and influence? The rivers, right? Those dang rivers always controlling the state... Trump will no doubt put a stop to that!