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"Cars and Independence" (Art by Sylvia Odhner) (pawb.social)
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[–] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (15 children)

With a car, you can fix it yourself if you are determined enough. However, if you're using public transport, the same arguments apply + now things are enirely out of your control. There's no way in hell the public transport company will let you tinker with their broken stuff. The insurance company can pull out of them at any time for any reason. The company can go bankrupt, etc.

i feel like independance and not having to rely on someone would work better as an argument for the car.

[–] ZDL@mstdn.social 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@Rin @grue It's hilarious watching people like you tout the "inevitability" of public transit failure as if **THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANET DOESN'T USE IT WITHOUT ANY OF THESE "INEVITABLE" FAILURES COMING TO FRUITION!**

It's almost as if you're spouting bullshit from a position of abject ignorance and a deep-seated aversion of analysis and/or introspection.

Almost.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My brother in christ, you missed the point.

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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Isn't anyone else disturbed by the concept of independence being a problem for this person?

I'd like more public transportation in America, but I'm not really interested in anything else they have to say.

[–] ZDL@mstdn.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@moakley @grue The "concept of independence being a problem" is a very real one. To quote someone or other who is apparently very famous: "No man is an island." (And to tack on an obscure movie reference: "but some men are peninsulas.")

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[–] ZDL@mstdn.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@moakley @grue Unless you're living in a forest that's nowhere near another human being, hunting and gathering all of your own food, moving around entirely on foot (or on animals you personally captured and trained), wearing clothing you made from materials you personally gathered from the environment around you, YOU ARE NOT INDEPENDENT. Even the smallest rural settlement has interdependence as a fundamental requirement.

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[–] ZDL@mstdn.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@moakley @grue Car drivers depend on a whole bunch of things, as noted above. But farmers do too. They rely on people making tools, and in the case of motorized ones, supplying fuel and maintenance for them. They rely on markets to sell the products of their efforts to permit them to exchange with other people for other necessities like clothing or food other than the food they themselves produce. Etc. etc. etc. Everybody depends on everybody else in a society.

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[–] ZDL@mstdn.social 2 points 1 week ago

@moakley @grue Those "lone wolf" stories of people who "never rely upon another"? They're just that: stories. And generally pretty bad stories written by thoughtless writers who preach a bad message that doesn't hold up to even a second's examination.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (8 children)

No, because your premise is incorrect. This person is completely in support of the concept of independence, but simply rejects the notion that car-dependency provides it. Real independence is achieved by removing the dependency on cars.

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[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look I am for an efficient mass transit system instead of building all of these perpetually-under-construction-roads. I would happily pay for bus / train tickets to get to work! It would be like a raise not being forced to pay for all that crap illustrated in the comic. I keep seeing comics like this on my front page and it's kind of annoying. It's somehow MY fault I choose to drive a vehicle instead peddling a bike on a path that would be a suicide mission to get to work. How about voting in the local elections instead of cheeky little comics that just seem annoy people? Lots of plans for transit systems get killed at the voting booths nobody goes to. Or not. I don't care. I'm just screaming at the sky now.

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