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As part of his Labor Day message to workers in the United States, Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday re-upped his call for the establishment of a 20% cut to the workweek with no loss in pay—an idea he said is "not radical" given the enormous productivity gains over recent decades that have resulted in massive profits for corporations but scraps for employees and the working class.

"It's time for a 32-hour workweek with no loss in pay," Sanders wrote in a Guardian op-ed as he cited a 480% increase in worker productivity since the 40-hour workweek was first established in 1940.

"It's time," he continued, "that working families were able to take advantage of the increased productivity that new technologies provide so that they can enjoy more leisure time, family time, educational and cultural opportunities—and less stress."

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[–] AttackPanda@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Why does it feel like it’s only ever Bernie Sanders that is pushing for life improvements.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

TL;DR: Corruption and capitalism

Any kind of socialism (even relatively-speaking weak social democrats like Bernie) is severely underrepresented in US politics due to the influence of private money/capital in the government and in elections. The two party system/first past the post voting doesn't help matters either.

The people with money actively want to supress socialism by any means necessary. Look at Joe McCarthy and the Red Scare if you want an example in US history that still affects us today.

Also Reagan with deregulation and Bill Clinton with "triangulation" (effectively becoming more economically right wing by finding the middle ground between right and left, while the right is constantly pushing right. See: the Ratchet Effect)

Bernie is one of the extremely few principled politicians who doesn't take corporate money, but he also lacks power as he is one person.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Because he doesn’t have to accomplish anything. Does he have a plan for this? Has he done any due diligence on transition? Has he studied the impact on small business vs large business? It’s easy to tell people what they want to hear. It’s harder to implement. Studies have shown it working in other countries, but that’s nowhere near enough to just make it happen in the US.

[–] deadtom@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Cause he's one of the few that actually give a shit. Its why the DNC did everything in their power to scuttle his primary run. Can't have a president that actually wants to help the common American cause then the corporate overlords might lose their stranglehold on them.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

This goes against what Republicans want. They're literally removing child labor laws so kids can get into the work force while they're in middle school. Start a kid working at 12 years old and they can get about 50 years of labor out of them. Chances are that kid will be working 60-70 years and won't be able to retire.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even 32 hours a week with a proportional decrease in pay would be a huge improvement.

[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

You shouldn't have to take a cut in pay for this. Productivity has increased and the benefits of the productivity increase has only gone to the ultra wealthy.

[–] MrBusinessMan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s simply not possible, I need my employees to be working more hours, not less. Last year I could barely afford my sailing trip to Aruba. If such a law passes I’m going to have to fire some people for sure or raise rents on my tenants.

[–] deadtom@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Its funny how schizophrenic your posts are from thread to thread.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would absolutely love to only work 32 hours a week instead of 40, 45 or 50.

I would also love four weeks vacation a year, full healthcare coverage and a unicorn in my backyard please.

[–] Riyosha_Namae@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

It's depressing that you've been convinced that full healthcare coverage is as unrealistic as a unicorn in your backyard.

[–] ccunix@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In France I work 32 hours, have 7 weeks holiday and awesome healthcare.

I have cows in place of a unicorn though.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean they have to raise the retirement age and had (are having?) Protests about it the whole year didn't they

[–] lady_maria@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Have to"? That's obviously more than up for debate, especially considering how many people protested.

God forbid they consider increasing taxes for the rich instead.

[–] Matt_Shatt@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean, cool, but nothing will happen because one old guy says this.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No.

You have to join a union or form a union.

If your workplace is already organized, then build further strength through solidarity, help other workers around you, and at every turn find ways to erode the power of the bosses.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

32hr week is fine, but what does he mean by no loss in pay?

The mandated work week is something a central regulator controls, and the pay is not.

The drop in productivity because of working 32hrs instead of 40hrs will be much less than 20%, that's for sure. Maybe there'll be no drop at all. That doesn't always translate to no drop in pay.

If by 32hrs we mean 4 days, then it frees that day for other workers (if we imagine any job with a physical workplace). The pay is a result of the balance of interests. It will become less.

And personally I'd say 35hr week is a better idea - as in 5 days of 7hrs .

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We make gains by organization not legislation.

Read the excerpts of the speech quoted in the article. All is plainly said.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk -1 points 2 years ago

But what about the poor billionaires?

"I've got one hobby space program yes, but what about second hobby space program?"