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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.

According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.

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[–] solarvetica@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago

Report a MAGAt today!

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Fun Fact: In Indiana, you can legally convert ICE agents into a fine red mist if they try this.

They have no legal protections while breaking the law.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Problem is... It then gets reduced to you shooting at people, and people shooting at you. That's seems like lose lose situation.

[–] danarchyintheATL@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Reminder that many states have "STAND YOUR GROUND" laws that include protecting you in the event you shoot someone claiming to be a federal agent who doesn't produce badges or a warrant.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 hours ago

Funny you think people will still get a fair trial (or even a trial at all instead of a bullet or "accident") in the United States after shooting someone from the regime.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This is a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment, and they are counting on the Supreme Court to back then, which they won't. Then they'll just ignore the Supreme Court, and do it anyway.

[–] danarchyintheATL@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Which is why everyone needs to be arming themselves and open-carrying at protests moving forward.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago

Agree. They need to be extremely afraid of us. Politicians are greedy cowards, and they only respond to money and fear. We don't have money to bribe them like the Sociopathic Oligarchs, so we have to make their fear of us overwhelm their greed.

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

No, They can not, It is a violation of the constitution. Which dumb fuck also is in violation of.

[–] sandflavoured@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago

Sounds a little too familiar

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Shoot warrantless masked unconstitutional kidnappers and ask questions later.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Someone is going to get killed.

[–] BlairMtnWarrior@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I hope a lot of them (ICE agents) do. I wonder where all these gun toting larpers who take guns to walmart to "protect the innocent" are?

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 4 hours ago

Too busy sucking at the teat of tyranny.

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

Listen, your family migrated here like a 100 years ago from Europe... so we'll just assume you're Tren de Aragua. What? No, this has nothing to do with you being an intellectual or a lefty. Now get in the concentration ca-I mean; the extralegal detention centre... yes, that's it.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

I said we would have late night, door to door searches by year's end,

They're running early

[–] ksigley@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Then they're going to be introduced to the floor.

[–] demunted@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Face floor towards enemy?

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago

Bang bang bang.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Enter my home without a warrant or identifying yourself, and your gonna leave in a casket.

I've also explained to my family that we do not open the door to anyone, especially people who claim to be cops. Way too easy to claim it, then force their way in while your waiting for them to prove who they are.

[–] Auzy@aussie.zone 11 points 10 hours ago

I think trump is a fwit, but sounds like there will be more than 1 bodybag leaving.

Not a good survival strategy for your family honestly....

Better off moving somewhere safe like Australia. No guns here. No idea why anyone would want to live in that shit hole anymore with all the corruption, shitty leaders, dangerous living environment, and uneducated idiots in charge

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 47 points 1 day ago

Considering ICE likes to abduct people in masks, civilian clothing and without any identification and thus are easily confused with burglars, i'd say shoot on sight for trespassing would be a viable option.

[–] the_trash_man@lemmy.world 38 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Read as: Enter your home under the false pretense they're looking for migrants, so they can search for any reason to charge you with a crime and toss you in a camp.

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 19 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like a second amendment solution.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

violent problems require violent solutions.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If a bunch of armed guys in masks show up refusing to identify themselves or provide warrants, what do you think most people would assume they are???

In a country with more guns than people, this seems line an insanely stupid tactic that guarantees preventable tragedies.

Warrants get rubber stamped on a regular basis, the argument that it's suddenly too onerous a burden and they're just allowed to ignore our constitutional rights is pretty fucking absurd too.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago

law enforcement isn't known for it's critical thinking

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Like fuck they can.

I'm not fucking going to El Salvador.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?

Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?

There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.

Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.

This is the real takeaway. Orwell was right about a lot of shit, but the use of language as a means of control was extra prescient.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 50 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state

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