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Germany's spy agency BfV has labeled the entirety of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party as an extremist entity.

The BfV domestic intelligence agency, which is in charge of safeguarding Germany's constitutional order, said the announcement comes after an "intense and comprehensive" examination.

"The ethnicity-and ancestry-based conception of the people that predominates within the party is not compatible with the free democratic order," the BfV said on Friday.

Hopefully this inspires the other parties to to start the process to see the AfD banned. I know the report might not look like much, because of how obvious the findings are. But previous attempts at banning them have failed because such an official report was missing. So maybe our political system starts getting its shit together.

As we say in Germany: Hope dies last

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[–] solrize@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (43 children)

What does it mean if a democracy bans a party that the voters want to elect? Better to ask what failure of the system made that party popular in the first place. We have a similar situation in the US fwiw.

[–] raod_guitar@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago

No need to play one off against the other. Yes, there are many things that need to change systemically. Yes, the AfD is a real danger and needs to be banned. Simple as that.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The paradox of tolerance. Parties that violate the social contract of mutual tolerance deserve to be banned.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

We had that situation in 1930s Germany and it was decided to address issues instead of banning Hitler’s Party even when they could.

[–] thisfro@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There are other banned parties as well (such as the SRP, which was the new NSDAP basically), having large overlap with the AfD. It's not bad for democracy, if the requirements for banning are clear and enforced equally.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Better to ask what failure of the system made that party popular in the first place.

In the case of the US, it was propaganda by a hostile country, and by malefactors of great wealth whose interests aligned with that hostile country. In the former case, an act of war; in the latter, treason.

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[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

entire AfD 'extremist'

No shit, sherlock, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But having it said in an official capacity is still important.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Absolutely.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Have you even seen some of the mindblowing excuses people have for why MAGA people in USA are not necessarily extreme?
That it's for job security, or because of drug trade or all sorts of weird reasons that would absolutely be valid if they weren't based on falsehoods wrapped in fascism.

I'm actually quite surprised that the conclusion is that ALL of AfD are extremists. Maybe if USA had done the same with Trump, and he and his followers were concluded to be extremists, more would have been done to stop him?

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[–] nshibj@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And what will Germany do about it? NOTHING!

[–] puddinghelmet@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago

They can mass spy on them now and get a valid legal reason to ban them with proof

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Punch left as hard as possible.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

It's been led than a day chill.

I'm not super hopeful either, but this is already more than I expected, so we'll see where things go

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago (21 children)

This is what we need to do with The Heritage Foundation and MAGA in the US. The extremes are usually bad whether they're left or right.

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