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[–] wosat@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Thought experiment: What if AI companies were allowed to use copyrighted material for free as long as they release their models to the public? Want to keep your model private? Pay up. Similar to the GPL.

[–] boramalper@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Fun fact: Copyright is also the basis on which you enforce copyleft provisions such as the those in GPL. In a world without copyright, there are no software licenses yet alone copyleft.

I know it’s very challenging for “this community” (FOSS users & developers let’s say) because a significant number of them also support shadow libraries such as Sci-Hub and Library Genesis and Anna’s Archive so how do we reconcile “copyleft (therefore copyright) good” with “copyright bad”?

I don’t have a clear answer yet but maybe the difference is as simple as violating copyright for personal purposes vs business purposes? Anyway…

[–] CosmicGiraffe@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The GPL uses copyright because it's the legal mechanism available to enforce the principles that the GPL wants to enforce. It's entirely consistent to believe that copyright shouldn't exist while also believing that a law should exist to allow/enforce the principles of the GPL.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

It's literally called copyright because it's about the rights to copy something. The new law would still be a form of copyright.

[–] boramalper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

That’s fair! Though I find it (new laws that enforce the principles of copyleft) pretty unlikely so I’d much prefer a world with copyright + copyleft (GPL) than a world without either where mega corporations can exploit the commons without being obliged to share back.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I’d rather people not profiting off copyrighted work be permitted than those who profit off it

[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I read this as pro-piracy and anti-AI, generally speaking, since the former is for personal use (art should be free to share and enjoy) while the latter is for commercial use (you should not be allowed to freely profit off the work of artists).

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I intended it that way

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder how they decided which artist to include in the thumbnail image.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Moneys decided it. No one is going to click on a image for a old wrinkly white guy

[–] Gluca23@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Greed have no age.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Please, save the copyright industry! If using these for AI isnt made ridiculously expensive, we will never be able to build a proper monopoly on top of this tech!

They get popular artists to sign these things but its the record companies (all three of them) that are really behind this.

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