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The distinction doesn’t even translate to verbal communication and many languages are perfectly fine without cases. It is meaningless. Stop it!

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[–] dumbass@quokk.au 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"ThE dIsTiNcTiOn DoEsN't EvEn TrAnSlAtE tO vErBaL cOmMuNiCaTiOn"

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

I did immediately picture this guy so point taken.

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

COME ON OVER AND CRANK YER HOG AT THE PACK YOU WON'T EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SILLY THINGS LIKE LETTER CASES OR PUNCTUATION EVER AGAIN AROOOO!!!1

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

UMM, I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET BUT I HAVE LIKED AND SUBSCRIBED BECAUSE YOU YELLED AT ME.

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

NOT YELLIN' JUST GOTTA SPEAK UP OVER THE SOUND OF ALL THIS HOG CRANKIN' MF'ER HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!!

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT’S BEING DISCUSSED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THIS SEEMINGLY LIVELY CONVERSATION. THE IDEA OF HOG CRANKIN’ INTRIGUES ME!!!!

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

AS WELL IT SHOULD MF'ER YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY SOFT SHITS ARE A BLESSING SO CRANK THAT HOG AND THANK THAT LOG!!!

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Capital letters give shape to lines of text on a page that make it easier for the eye to skim. Sure, they don't add any additional information that the period does not already have (and proper names are mostly vanity), but try reading page after page of all lower-case. It will take longer and comprehension will be lower. This is the same reason why some letters extend above and below the line - makes decoding words easier by giving them shape.

You can try it out yourself by saving this bookmarklet and using it to downcase a page! (Create new browser bookmark and paste "javascript:..." as the URL)

javascript:for (e of document.querySelectorAll('*')){for (c of e.childNodes){if (c.nodeType === Node.TEXT_NODE) c.textContent = c.textContent.toLowerCase()}}; void(0)

Come to think of it, the ease-of-read effect does look more pronounced on a full page of text rather than someplace where every post is a single sentence.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I appreciate the perspective, and I fully realize this hill I am dying on is not going to win hearts and minds. But you have to admit these problems have been solved in other ways without the extravagance of two mashed up writing systems. Even some forms of English like Morse code and ASL don’t bother with it (or can’t effectively bother with it) and it is fine. I think you are correct when you say vanity is the reason the convention now clings along.

Bonus thought: Punctuation at the beginning of a sentence like in Spanish should be codified across the globe.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I realize I am nowhere near influential enough. I am comfortable dying right here and now among all you lovely people.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

By current conventions, one of those will be interpreted as aggressive and the other submissive, or unprofessional or something (at least within many common contexts).

I am that judgy too. For example, I just had an email with someone I work for this week and she used the word breech (which means poo) instead of breach (as in a contractual breach). And I took the rest of the day off to giggle.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

ARGHGHAAGHAAHRRRGHAAHGH

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

No, one will be seen as aggressive and or uneducated the other as lazy and or uneducated.

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

one of those will be interpreted as aggressive and the other submissive

No choice then. Odd letters of the alphabet gets capitalized, even letters get downcased. That way you need to learn only one glyph for each still, but nobody will interpret you as BDSM.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I also feel compelled to mention secure passwords conventionally involve upper and lower cases, but still, this problem can be resolved in other ways. A lot of phones use drawing lines on a grid as authentication. Make your password a combination of Korean and Hindi characters. Make your password a string of emojis.

Edit: and yes, I am more in favour of emojis being incorporated into written language than hoity-toity when you call me “the queen”, you had better call me “the Queen” nonsense. Fuck outta here with that bourgeois gatekeeping.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 days ago

Lol, oh the irony of your hypocrisy is laughable

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Would've taken you seriously had you FUCKING bothered to stick to one case.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's a "joke"(aka. troll) post, as evidenced by their replies.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not serious either.

[–] quilan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

It's very convenient when reading German, as you instantly know which words are nouns.

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Perfectly fine until you need to talk about certain proper nouns that might be confused with regular words. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitonym

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Allow me to make my unpopular opinion all the more unpopular. English should instead have diacritics for such cases. Like, I know, it does, sort of (naïve, façade, etc.) but nobody uses them and they aren’t common enough for all the wildly exotic pronunciations of things. Use them! Add more!

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

In all fairness, you’re able to distinguish the difference in speech without capitalization using context clues. There are certainly situations where you might have to ask for clarification; while reading you just have to figure out context clues like someone figuring out the meaning of a new word.

[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

e. e. cummings would agree.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Then how would we know whether Big Balls is the child somehow given authority over our public institutions, or big balls is a wellness initiative offering yoga balls

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You do understand that written English is a descriptive thing, right?

That it's a result of trying to capture verbal communication in written/visual form?

Guess we should get rid of spaces too, since that doesn't reflect actual speech?

Put down the crack pipe, and step away from the computer.

Or (as others have said), "be the change you want to see"/"put your money where your mouth is".