That the establishment is flailing tells you this is a movement with legs. I don't think they can shut it down like 2016 Bernie, so ... it'll be interesting to see what comes next.
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Very few revolutions succeed overnight (without then making things worse than before). The way that people gave up after Bernie got cheated, and figured "welp let's leave things on autopilot then, I am discouraged now that we know the people on top are willing to cheat to hold onto power, that's unfair and I don't want to play anymore", is some lazy soft first world part time activism crap.
(And yes, I am equally part of the problem, not trying to point fingers just agreeing with you more or less. Things build over time. The more you push the more they build.)
The great Bernie blocks of 2016 and 2020 did not destroy my hope for revolution, but they did prove to me that the national DNC will never be the route to that revolution. Mamdani is showing us the way: grassroots local politics, build the base by pushing progressive policies on the local level. I suspect the establishment Dems still have more levers to pull if they want to block Mamdani's policies once he is in office. If we want revolution, we gotta support him and fight to prevent these blocks. Primary any Rep or senator that tries to prevent him from helping the common person.
Yeah, 100% agree. See also David Hogg, who tried to reform the DNC from within, and how well that turned out.
The DNC is rotten with big donor money, they will never kick that habit. Excited to see what Hogg does next!
EDITED - (this changed a bit while I replied but I don't like to delete things as I find it confusing later but needless thanks for expanding a bit and making it more clear that people did work for change and continue to)
who gave up? As far as the canidate in one primary we went forward but that was the start of a lot of momentum in primaries for progressive candidates. Every time I see something about giving up it feels so disingenuous to those who while working within the system still try to change it.
I was talking, obliquely, about the people on Lemmy pre-election who used "Democrats betrayed Bernie" as a reason to make the argument "politics is pointless, let's not vote."
If you're saying those people don't represent actual progressive activism (which has, I agree, been making more and more inroads every year as things get progressively worse and worse and their momentum builds), I will agree with you completely.
Honestly im never sure, especially with the internet, how many of those are sincere individuals and how much might be intentional trolls looking to muck things up. I personally do not know people who do not vote democrat because of they all the same fud or such.
I saw people at an anti-Trump protest who were getting up and yelling about how it was largely the Democrats' fault and it was important not to reward them with our votes. That's the only person I've ever seen in person who thinks this way, yes, but I have seen it a nonzero number of times.
It's almost all an internet thing, just in general. Every single political person I know in person is more or less either pro-Democrat or pro-Trump, or else wholly anti-US in all respects, the sophisticated leftist viewpoint is almost entirely an internet thing for me.
This racist bitch is proof that Trump and MAGA did not happen in a vacuum: she IS America. - the racist, bigoted, fascist America that this nation truly is.
Tone it down a bit. Most of us didn't vote for him, if only because a significant chunk simply didn't vote.
But "bitch" is a bit beyond the pale for Beehaw. That's objectively not Beeing Nice.
When a majority of Americans vote for fascism, that makes America a fascist nation. You may be a nice guy but you're not in the majority, so you're not representative of this country.
As for being nice, why should I be nice with this piece of refuse human being?
The majority of voters maybe voted for trump but the majority of Americans did not. The people that didn't voted are a lot. Only 64% voted in 2024. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/
That means 36% of eligible voters passively support fascism.
"How could people let the nazis take over Germany?" Gee, I wonder.
“I will NEVER co-sign a genocide,” they said, and got really condescending about how pure they were being, by refusing to vote to keep Trump out of power.
It doesn't matter. You can't cherry-pick. A majority of Germans also didn't vote for Hitler, yet it was called "Nazi Germany" after the election and nobody denies it on the basis that he didn't get the absolute majority of the votes.
America voted for fascism. I don't care if only a third of Americans are actively fascist, another third stayed home like the fat lazy slobs they are, and the remaining third lost to the first one: the net result is a fascist America.
Still, we don't condemn the German victims of Nazis for fascism. We don't condemn the French resistance for Vichy France. There's a real resistance movement in America. Support it.
I'm not condemning anything or anybody. There are plenty of good Americans in Trump's Nazi America like there were plenty of good Germans in Hitler's Nazi Germany. But good minorities in fascist countries don't make those countries any less fascist.
It does when they rise up and get their scalps.
OK, so. A majority of Americans did not do so. Grossly simplified, one-third did, one-third didn't, and one-third stayed home. If you're being fed the line that a majority of voters wanted Trump, it simply isn't true. Millions stayed on the sidelines because of Gaza and feeling like there was no point (which, in many states, there isn't; there are like seven where your vote matters).
You don't have to be nice to her. But how often have you seen "bitch" used as a pure pejorative on Beehaw? Consider your audience.
I think the world as a whole is done with being nice about Americans. Patience thoroughly depleted. Frustration to the fore. Could almost have pretended The West Wing wasn’t just a Hollywood cokehead’s fantasy, but not any more.
If you want to shit on America the country, I'm with you. I could hardly disagree with the top comment in this chain; America is, after all, racist, bigoted and fascist right now. The nation, and especially the government, deserve all the vitriol.
But please don't shit on Americans writ large. Too many of us hate this just as much as you do, and we really don't appreciate being lumped in with those who enabled it.
You are literally lumped in with them
I honestly have no idea how to respond to this. Did you read my comment and its context? Because I can't figure out what point you're even trying to make, so it really feels like you didn't.
You're giving off I'm not like other Americans vibes, I don't respect it lol
Well, considering I never voted for Trump, am against bigotry in all its forms, don't want to deport people for having the wrong skin color, believe that free healthcare is a human right, hate capitalism, etc... I don't think it's unfair to say that I very much am not like the fascists currently in power or the people who voted for them at all.
How is it fair to criticize me as though I'm the same as them when I'm fighting against them? Does my being born here somehow make me deserving of scorn?
You're being scorned right now? Because some guy said he doesn't trust Americans to form a competent government and I said you're an American? Get real man, this is the exact American exceptionalism everyone is sick of.
some guy said he doesn’t trust Americans to form a competent government
Not what he said.
and I said you’re an American?
Not what you said.
You don't seem to have an interest in understanding the impact of your own words, either before posting them or afterwards. No point in talking, then.
There was a time when I thought Gillibrand was good people but that was a long time ago.
In Trumpian Washington, swamp drains you.
she led the charge in ousting al franklen, and authored some other bill with the gop.