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It's not even "Incognito" (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser

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[–] WhiteTiger@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I mean, of all sites, polls make the most sense to require cookies to avoid duplicate votes.

[–] danprs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the better solution be to keep a log of previous client IPs, on the server side? Sure, VPN will circumvent it, but it's much easier for me to clear a cookie 100 times then to connect to 100 different VPNs.

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[–] SevereLow@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cookies are not evil per se... but data mining companies made them like that.

I'm administrating an online store and cookies are responsible for the customer's cart, plus their user session / logged in state.

As an admin I adhere to the "golden rule", thus there are no creepy trackers on store. I don't like them and I don't want customers to face the same thing on websites that I manage.

That said, cookies are needed for user session & fraud protection. Instead of nuking cookies we shall kick the trackers out.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yea but all that kind of functionality can work with (permanent) private mode as well. I don't use a lot of web services so I can log in when I need or make a pwa like with Lemmy here.

[–] PumpedSardines@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I feel like for straw poll it's more valid, they probably do it to try and avoid people voting more than once.

[–] ditherwither@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, but if you wanted to, you can write a script that mass votes and bypasses this (if there is no captcha)

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[–] quinten@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"One vote per IP-address" - So they already tackled the problem the people can vote more then once.

Straight-up asshole design.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly what I think. They also block VPNs and such.

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[–] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's when I stop giving them traffic. There's far too many alternatives to do otherwise.

[–] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Enter.

"NOPE"

clicks back

And proceed to chose next search result.

[–] DreamySweet@vlemmy.net 9 points 2 years ago (9 children)

It's not pointless, it's so they can track you.

what a misnomer too

It's crazy how many people think "incognito mode" prevents people from seeing what websites they are visiting.

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[–] chagall@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll look into that. I believe web sites shouldn't have any way to detect private mode, right?

[–] Eavolution@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wonder if it tries to save a cookie then read it back? I don't really know how any of this works but that sounds like a way to detect it that's fairly infallible.

[–] curiosityLynx@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Writing a cookie and reading it back should work just fine even in incognito mode. It just gets deleted once incognito is closed.

[–] dekatron@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

There are ways to detect private browsing by querying browser features or behaviours that are different in private browsing.

For example, in Firefox calling Navigator.serviceworker returns undefined if private browsing is enabled.

Check out this script for ways to detect this in popular browsers:

https://github.com/Joe12387/detectIncognito/blob/main/src/detectIncognito.ts

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[–] nieceandtows@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It kind of makes sense for strawpoll, because without some sort of cookies, they wouldn't know if the same person is voting multiple times. But they should say something like 'incognito mode makes the votes inaccurate, please visit on normal mode'

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

One vote per IP-Address allowed.

They already have your IP. "Incognito" mode doesn't change that.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

That does have the consequence of allowing only one person to vote per public IP, which on large networks may correspond to quite a lot of users.

That probably doesn't matter much for a simple internet straw poll, but I can imagine situations where IP-based uniqueness isn't reliable enough.

[–] Pokadots@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What if you have multiple people voting from the same place/public IP?

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[–] sacbuntchris@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That doesn't work for dynamic IPs

[–] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

When I go to a site, and they do it, I avoid it at all the costs or never come back!

[–] Izzy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Any websites that doesn't just work with a simple ad blocker or still has ads I just close and never return.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"Oops! Looks like you're using an adblocker! Please pay a subscription!"

Oops looks like I'm gonna check the comments for someone who pasted your article for free!

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[–] lynny@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Sites like this I just close the tab and use uBlacklist to hide them from any search results.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is that Firefox Focus? Because if yes, them that counts as "incognito mode" too.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's IceRaven, but I have it set to permanent private mode. I dont need to deal with cookies of every shitty site.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly people should just set there browser to clear cookies on close

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Can't say I like logging into all of my accounts (most of which gave 2FA as well) 3 times a day

[–] FearTheCron@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It would be nice if you could whitelist sites for cookies. That way you can stay logged into things like email.

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

There's an extension that allows you to hide incognito mode from websites called Hide Private Mode I'm not sure why browsers don't do this by default (maybe it's some funny compliance thing) it would greatly improve privacy.

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[–] kaotic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I kind of understand this one though, 99% of the time stuff like this is just bullshit. But this is an effort to stop users from voting multiple times.

[–] Jables@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

You can install the Ghostery add-on on Firefox mobile to prevent cookies and trackers.

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