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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT 🙌🙌 🙌

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] drsilverworm@midwest.social 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The single best thing you can do for the climate is not existing. The next best thing is not having kids. The lifetime of consumption of a person is out of the equation without that person. Until we figure out how to live sustainably on this earth, overpopulation is a real problem.

Edit: To be clear, I want you to still exist with us in this world. Especially since I don't believe in any kind of afterlife. I'm just stating a tough truth with no clear action statement, besides maybe figuring put how to live truly carbon-neutral. Some things are just a catch-22.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (16 children)

You first, buddy.

If not, this is just a slippery slope argument to "those other people shouldn't exist/have babies". That's just the door to eco-fascism.

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[–] Tautvydaxx@piefed.social 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Are bilionairs white meat?

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 12 points 6 days ago (8 children)

i’ve replaced beef in my diet with kangaroo for exactly this reason… it’s not the same, but it’s great in its own right and contains a load of iron. makes cutting beef out much easier

bonus: roo populations have to be managed otherwise in modern australia they tend to multiply uncontrolled and it’s a problem, so it’s either eat the meat or waste it… roo meat isn’t farmed

This is why I'm mostly okay with hunting deer, here in the US. We displaced their predators so it's on us to make up the balance. I say "mostly" since, like others are saying in this thread about taking habitat away from kangaroos, the better answer is to give them an actual functional ecosystem to live in.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Roos are culled mostly because they compete for pasture availability and water access for livestock, especially because we reduced their predators (again, to protect animal livestock).

It's certainly better to eat roo than cow, but a diet that doesn't include killing animals at all is objectively better.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

a diet that doesn't include killing animals at all is objectively better.

assuming animals wouldn’t be killed either way, yes… but even if they’re killed for other livestock, that’s going to continue regardless of eating them or not so the difference is practically nothing. you have to reduce the other livestock before any effect on kangaroos is felt

and also, something is better than nothing… i think convincing a majority of people to not eat meat just isn’t realistic. subbing out beef for roo (and chicken and pork) is a very easy trade, and i’ve switched a lot of people to do the same. it’s pretty easy to convince people to do that. it’s very difficult to convince people to eat exclusively vegetarian

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Americans are trying to ban it.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 6 days ago

We have the same problems in America, but with deer, and the same solutions to that problem.

But those same nutjobs who want to ban roo meat also want to ban deer hunting. Because they are idiots.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 6 days ago

i heard about that… it’s wild lol… and their argument is basically “it’s cute”

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[–] JaceTheGamerDesigner@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

We could really use a movement to get more people to try adding beans, peas, and tofu to their grocery list. I wasn't able to stick to not eating meat, but sticking to eating less meat by adding alternatives to my grocery list turned out to be quite easy.

I gonna be honest: Tofu is a completely underrated food. If done right it tastes absolutely fucking awesome. You can also put it onto bread and there are plenty of different flavoutlrs that you can easily buy in a supermarket.

The trick is to find the right message and tone for the moment. I also think change like this is necessarily incremental. It's possible that with enough doom-and-gloom around a pending "market correcting event", that helping everyone reduce grocery bills by eating vegetarian a few nights a week, would be the right message.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I've got a special trick where I can make pretty much the entire internet rage at me. Check it out:

I'm vegetarian.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Imagine how being vegan makes you the most horrible pariah. Change of diet was not difficult at all, but I wasn't quite prepared for the social consequences.

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[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Haha nice!

This chart theoretically demonstrates the validity of vegetarianism if that beef herd line is truly the outlier it appears to be.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 6 days ago

This needs to be normalized by calories. Soymilk and soybean oil shouldn't be that far apart.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

why milk/cheese and beef dairy are two different charts?

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Beef is overrated. Pork, poultry, and wild caught shrimp are where it's at.

[–] untuned@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

I guess it's a good thing that the lone star tick is moving north

[–] Echofox@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And not having any children!

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