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[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 175 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I feel like "dislike the least" would be more accurate.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You'll notice a lot of the "Likes China" nations are consumer economies and a lot of the "Likes US" nations are export economies (particularly those in direct competition with China).

If I was working at Toyota, I wouldn't like the folks exporting BYDs to all my biggest customers, either.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

That may be a factor, but Germany is maybe the country in the world with the most auto industry. Possibly tied with Japan.
And while Japan favors USA, which may be in line with your thinking, Japan has always had problematic relations with China. Which is a more likely explanation IMO.
Still Germany favors China, so that speaks against your idea. And what's notable is that most traditional American allies, now doesn't even favor USA over China which has been a strained relation to mostly all those countries for a long time.

I think what pisses people off is that USA is clearly abandoning their allies, friends and core values about international law and both political and trade relations, we've agreed on for more than 80 years.

USA abandoning Ukraine after they promised to protect Ukraine when they gave up their nukes, is a very strong political signal that USA can't be trusted as a friend or ally.

We don't expect much from China, as long as they don't invade Taiwan that's a plus!
With low expectations it's much easier for China to live up to them.
USA on the other hand, is failing completely with Trump threats lies and manipulation, and not only Trump, but the entire administration and MAGA and GOP. So USA is looking more and more as no better than China.
And with China being the more reliable of the two, the favor tilts towards China now!

It's really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights, and have so little intention of following any promises previously made in international political agreements. Fuck Trump even abandoned his own trade agreement with Canada for no rational reason! And USA is threatening to invade an allied country!

IMO this has little to do with working in a car factory, but much more to do with Trump creating insecurity, and fucking everybody over, and looking more and more like a Nazi doesn't help either.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Still Germany favors China, so that speaks against your idea.

This is a race to the bottom. Germans blame the US for a host of domestic problems - high cost of energy, repeated large influxes of migrants (particularly from the Middle East), the repeated threat of high tariffs with a big trading partner, escalation with Russia over Ukraine which has cut Germany off from a number of major markets for cheap raw materials - that have eclipsed their nativist disgust for East Asian businesses.

It's for the same reason Canadians hate the US, atm. Could change on a dime if the AfD takes over the German Parliament and Euro-centric white nationalism becomes an axis around which Russia, Germany, and the US can align.

I think what pisses people off is that USA is clearly abandoning their allies, friends and core values about international law

There's a lot of rhetoric around Trump's fickle ham-handedness. But Germans weren't terribly positive about Biden or Bush, either. The Germans (and the French) are trying to corral the rest of Europe into operating as their client states. That's turf the Americans staked out decades ago, and its one they're struggling to hang onto. So there's a natural tension between German and American capital that doesn't exist in the same way with China, as China's not an occupying military in the region.

Chinese imports are, if anything, easing Germany off the US market system and into an Eastern facing market with German banks and German-owned shipping companies at the center. Chinese and German business people are happy to play ball in the same way that American and Chinese business people worked together to undermine the American working class back in the 80s/90s.

It’s really really sad that USA has fallen so deeply away from decency and respect of human rights

The Americans never had any decency or respect for human rights. What they had was advanced technology and an enormous economic surplus to spread around. Now, the US is in an intellectual and economic retreat, having invested too much of their surplus into a hyper-automated AI pipe dream.

Europe has nothing to gain by wedding itself to an economy that only knows how to make advertisements and bombs (and barely remembers how to crank out the latter). So we're seeing a decoupling that was going to happen under any administration. Trump's just dumping lighter fluid on the dumpster fire.

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[–] Booboofinget@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I give it 5-10 years, if that, before Brazil flips to China. Especially since Trump is trying to tell them how to run the country and China is proposing a transcontinental railroad.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Survey was taken before Trump put "special 50% tariffs because Bolsanaro (previous president) insurection prosecution is a witch hunt". Brazil has likely flipped.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 17 points 4 days ago

This result is quite an achievement with the immense global soft power of US cultural institutions like Hollywood buoying it up.

[–] yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago

What do you like most, being kicked in the balls or being hit in the balls with some object?

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

People like the Belt and Road Initiative better than drone strikes and wealth extraction?

I'm shocked.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago (4 children)

More like "which country do you dislike slightly less". None of them are in the positives, it is just a choice between two evils.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 4 points 5 days ago

The caption below the graph in the image states that is how you should interpret the results in some places:

The map compares the popularity of the U.S. and China in each country based on their net perception score (measured as the difference between the share of respondents with a positive perception minus those with a negative perception of each country.) The country with the higher net score is relatively more popular, or less unpopular.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Source: 2025 Democracy Perception Index

Dear Americans, think about this one. If you can.

- Canada

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 43 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Just like to point out for everyone else that, at least when it comes to Canada, the US vs China is a Last vs Second Last situation. Opinions on China haven't improved, the US has just fallen that far.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 7 points 6 days ago

I imagine that will be the case many places elsewhere also. Certainly that is in line with my own thinking.

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[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Hmmmm... they made liking China red and liking the US green.. hmmm call me crazy guys but there might be a bias in this source

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That isn't blue?

I swear I thought that this was red and blue.

Is this another dress situation?

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 2 points 4 days ago
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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do you like Cyanide or Arsenic?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I like happiness, so I'll go with cyanide.

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I mean, if my options are the USA, China, and Russia, I'd rather go live on the moon.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Spoken like someone who has never lived on the moon.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 days ago

Terran privilege

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (10 children)

I think it's at least pretty easy to rule out Russia as the worst of those 3.

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[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Didn't read the linked article when i first saw this post, some more interesting (though not surprising) results from the poll:

Trump recorded the worst score among a range of political, cultural and spiritual leaders that includes X owner Elon Musk, Microsoft founder Bill Gates, the late Pope Francis, Taylor Swift and Kim Kardashian.

Israel emerged as the country with the worst global reputation of those included in the poll, especially in the Middle East and South Asia. Israel is unpopular even in European countries that have historically been its allies, such as Germany, signaling growing discomfort with its government’s conduct in Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

yet we germans are still happy enough to sign new weapon export deals to Israel. As long as the money flows, who cares for human right violations en masse, amirite?

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Thanks trump

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

TFW Vietnam likes you more than Canada

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Vietnam has a very specific and valid grudge against China. Granted a grudge against the US would also be super valid. I think it falls along the lines of China should have been their ally so from them they felt betrayed. America just gave them what they expected from western imperialism. This is vibes based though so take it with multiple grains of salt

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[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Mine isn't on the list.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Interesting that two of the few countries that prefer the US to China are China’s fellow BRICS members Brazil and India.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And everyone they share the western Pacific with...

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (4 children)

We Indians despise the Chinese. Seriously others underestimate how much we hate them. Not to mention they keep trying to steal our borders

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

To be fair most of my discussions with Indians in Australia, you guys hate all your neighbours. Even other Indians if they're from the wrong state

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

That would make sense considering that all of their neighbours were originally part of India before it was India and split off because of disagreements of some sort.

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[–] ayane@lemmy.vg 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Don't hate the people; hate the state ✌️

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Everyone hates horrible hindutva fascists killing minorities.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nobody even knows about them at the global level

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, most people are politically ignorant and at best know what goes on in their country.
I, as a European do follow geopolitics, sooner or later it will have consequences.
No country is an island in that sense.

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I mean I don't like them as well but that said not sure how this is pertinent to the original thread lol?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

It's a reaction to that indian displaying his fanatic hate.

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[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

I'm a fan of my neighbor Canada. Hope to be a citizen one day.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

Well, America isn't producing tons of cheap solar panels to contribute to the energy transition

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