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Last week, Marathon Fusion, a San Francisco-based energy startup, submitted a preprint detailing an action plan for synthesizing gold particles via nuclear transmutation—essentially the process of turning one element into another by tweaking its nucleus. The paper, which has yet to undergo peer review, argues that the proposed system would offer a new revenue stream from all the new gold being produced, in addition to other economic and technological benefits.

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[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

any particle accelerator can do that just incredibly slowly.

Alchemy of that sort has been doable for generations, it's just WILDLY impractical!

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Currently many orders of magnitude more expensive than just buying an equivalent amount of gold, but makes me wonder what the future might be capable of with those proofs of concept.

Science circling back around to alchemy is an interesting thought.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If it is possible to make small amounts of those elements on purpose as a byproduct, it can help to offset the costs of the reactor in some small way and help with isotopic/nuclear research in general. But that can be done in pretty much any fusion reactor design to some degree.

As for Alchemy of the future, If in a thousand years we can just built whatever materials we need (including potential ultra heavy stable elements) from raw subatomic particles we don't even need mining, just gather up some hydrogen/helium from space and transmute it into whatever you need. food, fuel, structures, etc.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

just gather up some hydrogen/helium from space and transmute it into whatever you need. food, fuel, structures, etc.

Tea, earl gray, hot.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And a gross of self-sealing stem bolts.

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[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I admit, it wasn't on my 2025 bingo card, either.

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[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In theory but can they do it efficiently. Probably not. And definitely not yet. But hey let them get the fool's money.

[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I read up on this the other day and their claims are 8 tons produced per gigawatt of energy consumed. Even if they manage a quarter. Of that, it's enough to obliterate the value of gold. I doubt this will actuary go anywhere either way but it would be nice to see.

[–] antler@feddit.online 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This article says (5 tonnes/yr) per GW produced. It's a fusion reactor, so it's making electricity, not consuming it.

At $0.05/kWh, 1 GWh of electricity is $438 million. At $3400/troy ounce, 5 tonnes of gold is $545 million. So that jives with the company's estimate on the article that the sale of gold could double their revenue.

All bunk, of course

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[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

That's an enormous amount!

Most of the value of gold these days is its use in electronics, and jewelery. I'm fine with it being made cheap and plentiful. Anyone holding gold (or gold-backed investments) as opposition to other types of investments is going to see a big loss, but that's what they bought into.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Good to see Gargamel following his dreams.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Alchemy you say? Take my money now, I'll ask questions later. Glad we got in on this before the peer review!

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Kings dont fund science, Kings fund alchemy!

USA USA USA ...

I'll wait and see if they can add some AI to it. But if they can, I'll invest my entire life savings.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 15 points 1 week ago

So do it. Crash the economy, rip that bandaid right off.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The search for the philosophers stone never ended.

[–] QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

I really think I’m close, I just need to distill a little more urine

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

When they can do transparent aluminum, I'm in!

edit: yes I know there's a ceramic material called ALON, which the manufacturer calls transparent aluminum because it contains aluminum oxynitride, but I don't think that's what Scotty meant. ALON is about 30-35% aluminum, same as the amount of lead in leaded crystal glass, which isn't "transparent lead".

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago

Aluminium Oxide (Al~2~O~3~) can be crystal clear too, it's just Sapphire, I have a chunk of it on my wrist right now, looks pretty clear to me, and almost as hard as a diamond.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Transparent aluminum was around in 2018 source

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago

a lot longer than that.

Synthetic corundum, spinel and others have been around for over 120 years, and optically transparent uncoloured sapphire glass for over 80 years. They are just aluminium oxides.

ALON is just the new hotness, and not as good as some others in terms of visible light transparency.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If we can actually do nuclear transmutation, that’s like one step away from a Star Trek replicator

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

6.4L of air produces 1 cm^3^ of iron. I guess that's not that bad. It's like three people filling their lungs with air.

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