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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In return the US buys European trains, that won't fit their rails?

Then we would exchange stuff, we can't use.

Trump is such an idiot, that he drops out of the IQ scale

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

His IQ is measured in letters not numbers

[–] Wisens@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Would anyone even want to buy them in those markets?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Judging by the increase in F150 trucks on European roads.. yes.

They are not officially sold here but there are ways to import them legally and "affordably".
There is a subset of the population that will import these cars regardless of whether they are suitable for the environment.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Luckily, they are a small subset. It's still annoying when they take their monster for shopping and block three parking lots.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Interesting. Have you seen a F250 or an F350?

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I watched a guy jockey his truck into a Starbucks parking lot, climb down, and wander inside. He spent the whole time talking about his truck to anyone who could hold still.

It was his daily commuter and it was a Ford F650. It was stupidly large and he was all pleased at it. He's a menace to our community.

Yes, it was this fucking huge. He couldn't use the parking lot entrance in a straight line and had to Austin Powers his way around everything... The lot was almost empty!

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

To my knowledge those are not road legal, since they are too large/heavy to be driven with a regular driver's licence
The F150 is just shy of the maximum allowed size/weight-limit

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you for your input. I appreciate it.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Ford F150 is a work truck. It was designed for (prototyped with) hauling duty in construction and mining ops. It's meant to carry lots of big things that won't reliably fit in a van.

However, using an F150 as your daily driver / shop runner is ridiculous, and you need money to support that fuel economy it doesn't get.

This coming from an American, in a state where it's culturally required to drive monster trucks as commuter cars.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Cool. I'll think of that when another F150 is parked both on the sidewalk and bikepath because it can't fit the parking spot.

These things are simply too large for European roads. And that is not even mentioning the road safety concerns.

A work truck does not have to be such a behemoth of a vehicle in order to be a practical work vehicle. You can get safer and smaller pickup trucks that can haul the same amount
(Or at the very least those used to exist)

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's all about what fits the job. Minitrucks are super popular in the USA now, and the Toyota Tacoma (a little smaller than the Hilux) is worth so much used it has almost no depreciation even at 200,000 mi. Though the kind of work the F150 is meant for involves large things (wood beams, bulky equipment, looooong items, and so on) that are probably sized differently in Europe or are trailered instead, which makes it overkill over there to have an F150 if your stuff fits in a small van.

[–] detren@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For that stuff we usually use Ford Transits which are massive as fuck

[–] VonReposti 3 points 2 weeks ago

Or it gets shipped separately by a flatbed lorry. A quick in-n-out even in cities where you wouldn't be able to find a spot for your mini cooper.

[–] sucius@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've yet to see to see one. Where have you seen them? Is it Germany or the Netherlands?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They're quite common in Belgium (from what I've seen), and I'm seeing them a lot in the Netherlands as well.

To my knowledge, in the case of the Netherlands, people are using a tax-loophole to import them into the country without paying the appropriate vehicle import tax. This is done by importing and registering the vehicle as a company vehicle, but using it as a personal vehicle as well

Importing an American pickup truck this way is still expensive, but not nearly as expensive as if they had to pay that tax.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The road in front of my house isn't getting any bigger, 2 big trucks are not going to fit and I will sit and laugh as they try.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

... For now. The US also had human-sized roads until we knocked down whole neighborhoods to make room for cars. There's no limit to how much damage the car-brained / car-dependent people will do to our cities if you give them power to do so.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

They're very incompatible with infrastructure and environment.

When international companies build cars with the US in mind, they ensure they make sense in the US.

American cars are not tough enough for off-roading in most countries. They're too big and inefficient for on-road and urban. Where they do fit in, there's already many much better options and maintaining those fit-fir-purpose cars through their lifetime is much easier and cheaper because of after sale support and part availability.

You can improve a US car with modification, but it also isn't cheap and easy.

US car manufacturers can't compete with European and Asian manufacturers. They barely pull it off domestically. Only Ford has managed with its appeal to commercial fleets and some cars you can't even get in the US—that's how it's done if you want your shit bought.

[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 weeks ago

Judging by the amount of pickup trucks that started to infest the streets around here the answer is probably yes.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've seen more cybertrucks in Ontario than NY. Idiots live everywhere

[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Fucking try it, my wall is a lot cheaper to replace than your car door. Bit of mortar, maybe a replacement brick or two.

[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

AI made that graph.

so the graph is wrong. can you make an accurate graph and repost?

Who the fuck generates graphs with AI? Genuine slopper behavior.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

"AI helped me make this graph" Could just mean they got AI to write some matplotlib to plot real data. Though it is pretty slapdash to just state that with no further explaination.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What make you think the graph is wrong ?

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably knowing that the nature of LLMs is to generate output based on statistical associations, and that they don’t have the ability to look at data and understand it.

It’s also so fucking lazy to do that and then turn around and beg for people to pay you for it.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

LLMs generate theses kind of graph by writing a python program that plot a real dataset.
I don't see the issue you have.

nature of LLMs is to generate output based on statistical associations

that's also the nature of humans.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

LLMs generate theses kind of graph by writing a python program that plot a real dataset.

Assuming it even correctly does that. And why is that even necessary? People were able to make graphs before AI. It isn’t hard to do, and the piddling amount of data on display hardly needs a custom python program to plot it.

that's also the nature of humans.

Thoughts are more than statistical associations, and anyone telling you that you can make a humanlike consciousness through a glorified autocorrect is a scam artist.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

People were able to make graphs before AI.

The times, and skill level required to make this graph dropped significantly.
Before, you may not even had this graph.

Thoughts are more than statistical associations

Do you even know -how- you think ? Anyone telling you they know how thought process works in the brain is a scam artist, you can't make any comparison between how work the two because we don't know how both operate to produce the output.

PS:

a humanlike consciousness

Does consciousness exists at all ? I can argue it's an illusion born from the ability of self reflection.

[–] jonion@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Does conscipusness exist at all?

Yes. The entire physical world may be an illusion for all I know, but the only thing I can be truly certain of is my conscious experience of it. There is simply no way for me to doubt my own consciousness as such, but I can doubt what I am conscious of.

[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you are saying, since you see the illusion, it must be real ?

[–] jonion@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm saying that no matter what I see, illusory or not, I cannot doubt that I am seeing it.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

America made cars so big and expensive that nobody can afford to buy them anymore. We need more electric sub-compacts that won't break the bank. Why would Europe even want those behemoths?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The best part is that material costs are often some of the lowest costs in making a product. Think about how much more metal and plastic is actually in an SUV compared to a small car. Yea the envelope is bigger but it’s mostly air, and those engines aren’t actually that much bigger. SUVs do not cost more in advertising, employee payroll, safety testing, or R&D and yet will cost 50-100% more than a smaller vehicle because “reasons”. And people will buy them also because “reasons”.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

But the small car is held to higher emissions standards than the SUV. The 'light truck loophole' means there's few emissions limits on trucks (which is the same frame an SUV is build upon), so they can have higher per unit profit margins.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

About nobody wants those cars here in Europe. They are too big for the roads, do not fit in any normal parking lot, and they guzzle gas as if it cost nothing.

That some of those cars are actually not considered road-worthy here for some very good reasons is just the icing on the cake.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

And yet, people are using loopholes to import them to Europe for vanity reasons. All it takes is enough of them on the road, then lobbying by manufactures to buy some politicians and then it'll be a flood of these monstrosities destroying cities.

Scaremongering? Maybe. Very possible? Yes, very much so. The EU has to defend its cities from these machines or you'll get US levels of children dying on the roads from crashes. It can happen anywhere if people let it.