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[–] 332@feddit.nu 154 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.

[–] Keyboard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
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[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 109 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ugh, this shit again...

Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] katkit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.

[–] PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 6 points 1 week ago

Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 29 points 1 week ago

Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.

[–] PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 6 points 1 week ago

Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!

[–] join@lemmy.ml 103 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 10 points 1 week ago

I am in favour of this proposal.

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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

but so far nothing happened

Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It's not a matter of being complacent; it's a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won't work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.

Unless you've been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago

That's due to the limitation at the time.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit

[–] krigo666@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.

It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Some keep trying. That's how democracy and politics works in general.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Many people in the US thought “He won’t”

So, call your representatives.

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[–] cabbage@piefed.social 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. "EU wants this, EU wants that" - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Your OS doesn't, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.

And no, you can't convince them to switch messager, I tried.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is the EU not subject to GDPR?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 15 points 1 week ago

Rules are for the people, not governments

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

The EU decides what's GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago

Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So Canada?

(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they've come a long way in the last few decades.)

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.

As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You're answering the how, but I'm asking for the why. 😅

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Financial issues among the general populace due to consolidation of wealth > oligarchs create propaganda that brown people are to blame > uneducated masses vote for authoritarians with empty promises

It's the same program human civilisation has know for millenia

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago

Evil people doing evil things because they’re evil. They want more than they have any right to and are willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.

Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.

Also, welcome to Signal!

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that's not a good thing)

[–] dynamoMaus@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths(https://systemli.social/@anneroth) talk(German):

You would never say: I don't need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.

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[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.

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[–] alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago

The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is not the Europe I remember...

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