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[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

They were scared of more than just jazz music. Once black people got the right to vote white people realized that they were quite diligent voters.

The passage of the Fifteenth Amendment in 1870 guaranteed the right to vote to men of all races, including former slaves. Initially, this resulted in high voter turnout among African-Americans in the South. In the 1880 United States presidential election, a majority of eligible African-American voters cast a ballot in every Southern state except for two. In eight Southern states, Black turnout was equal to or greater than White turnout. At the end of the Reconstruction era, Southern states began implementing policies to suppress Black voters.

After 1890, less than 9,000 of Mississippi's 147,000 eligible African-American voters were registered to vote, or about 6%. Louisiana went from 130,000 registered African-American voters in 1896 to 1,342 in 1904 (about a 99% decrease).

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nothing is more dangerous than scared ~~white~~ people with the power to do something about it. This is why individuals fear the wealthy and the wealthy fear the masses.

Don't confuse color and power. They are correlated in recent parts of western culture but pretending they are the same is white supremacy.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know. There's an argument to be made that as a group gains more power in Western society (or at least in America) they become white. See: Irish, Italian, and Polish immigrants to America.

I'm not willing to argue about it because I don't have a solid thesis, but I am going to have that float around in my head for a bit and I invite comment and criticism of the idea.

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago

Not looking to argue either. It's a thing that has been floating around in my head for years. People were judging people based on ethnicity for thousands of years before the modern focus on skin colour. (see 'the Good Samaritan' as an easy example) And people have been confusing power with quality for just as long. (prosperity doctrine, etc.) Some people like the use of the colour word 'white' for 'accepted by those in power,' but that feels, to me, too much like buying in on the racial worldview. It seems foolish to try to argue that race is a nonsense concept while continuing to speak in the language of races. To give an example, arguing against racist nonsense while still referring to 'black people' like a sensible classification feels as weird to me as arguing against sexist nonsense while still referring to 'womens' work' like a sensible classification or against Christian theocracy while still treating 'Christendom' as a useful term for western nation states. It's the 'master's tools' problem.

Fascism and authoritarianism is race blind but it is not money blind.

The center of ever concentric circles of culture wars is people of obscene wealth. To put it another way, there is not a fascist country in this world that isn't supported by rich assholes.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Blacks were over represented in prisons long before jazz.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

...what? No. It as nothing to do with jazz or "being afraid" of it. It's a continuation of the slave trade, predating jazz by over a century.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure the thirteenth amendment predates jazz.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Drugs became more illegal because of jazz. White dudes were scared their daughters were enjoying the cotton clubs. weed became schedule whatever to crimilaze black people, 13th amendment with prisons became slavery and for profit in the Freedom States of America.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

* or being aware that their privileged place in the social order is built on the legacy of slavery, and desperate to preempt the bill coming due

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

You could add that bit to every domino

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

That’s pretty much world history is a nutshell. “White man scared.”