How is this still up for debate?
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Everybody is aware. The only ones not admitting it are the governments supporting it.
Everybody says that Israel is committing genocide. Even some Republicans are boasting about it, even the Israeli government is boasting about it without using the word specifically.
At this point you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would deny it's a genocide, except for using the word
Days since Israel committed genocide: 0
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Well I'm not an expert, but I could tell a long time ago that Israel is commiting a genocide.
Idk, maybe we should let Isreal kill another 10th of Palestine's population just to make sure this is a real genocide and not some light ethnic cleansing.
My only wish is that Americans would shut up and get in the back of the line as they only cheapen any attempt to help Palestine. My country got wrecked by Americans who are now moralizing and being the world police again. I wish they would just sit down and let another country lead the charge.
Fuck another country.
We need to rebuild the UN from scratch, start over. This time, no veto rights for anyone. This time, give the fucker teeth. Give it the atrong Army it needs. If some dictator, be it a Korean one, a Chinese one, a European one, a Russia one, or an American one, decides to behave like an asshole we can send the actual world police on their asses, and this time it will be a police that is guided by ALL of humanity, not just a rich few assholes that can buy a politician to veto anything useful the UN could decide.
I mean if it's any consolation, America under the leadership of Trump or Vance isn't going to do jack shit to help Palestine or anyone else. They're literally fucking over their own people and telling them that empathy is a sickness.
Rest assured if any country is going to be leading the charge it won't be America. The entire country is on the verge of complete collapse. I would actually be more surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. It's pretty much inevitable. That's not hyperbole, collapse of the U.S. and democracy and division into smaller city state monarchies is literally the goal of this administration. If that happens, North Korea levels of isolationist policy is the only possible outcome.
I genuinely believe that the vast, vast majority of people on this planet who are aware of the situation in Gaza can see that it's a genocide and that Israel is criminal.
I don't have anything to base it on, but I just have a feeling that we've reached a turning point in how Israel is perceived globally. I don't know what that will mean in the future, but I think it'll mean something big.
Practically everyone I’ve spoken to irl, even those more conservative inclined, feel the same. Even if you take into account that people are likely to be surrounded by people who hold at least similar opinions to them it really feels like this is the case and has been for a minute now.
A) yes the view is changing B) it's not going to be big because it's a small conflict in a tiny country. Could you elaborate what this is supposed to mean?
They are not going to be wiped off the map soon and neither are they going to reform their country and have peace for everyone.
Main thing about the conflict is how stuck it is.
Respectfully, I think you're repeating a widespread myth: this is not an immovable situation. Israel's system of apartheid is actually very cumbersome and expensive, and the country has been very weakened over the last two years. It really isn't hard for me to see this government collapse in the next three years.
It's hard for israel to completely crash when the usa is still sending billions to israel and the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style. People are still votibg for people still claiming that israel has the right to defend itself against the people it occupy
the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style.
Pretty much this. Same for Russia.
I think my point stands.
Israel has clearly lost most of the Democratic voter base. They're losing conservatives too, but it's really hard to overstate the importance of losing Democratic support. American Jews are increasingly unwilling to support the Zionist project, and Israel has always depended greatly on international support for everything from financial assistance to providing the actual Jewish bodies who are needed to actually move into settlements and birth more Israeli Jews.
We're not far from a day when Israel loses access to their US weapons and tech infrastructure. But their economy was never designed to work without American Jews visiting and moving to Israel.
Personally, I'd like to see the international community force the adoption of a democratic one state solution. And I think that's no less far-fetched than something like a return to the previous status quo.
Losing the base means nothing if we keep voting for pro isrsel leaders. I am not going to get fooled by actions like a meanless palestinian state recognition with no security guarentees and no army to defend itself or sanctions 1 or 2 predominent settlers
I really don't think the next Democratic president will be a Zionist.
It's like abortion and guns. There used to be pro-gun Democrats and anti abortion Democrats, but culture changed and those are no longer positions you can hold off you want to get elected to any position.
In 2028, defending Palestinian genocide is going to be as electorally viable as saying abortions should be "safe, legal, and rare".
I think the current government can be gotten rid of and a new government may handle things differently. That's about as good as it will get.
Trump and whoever comes after him when he croaks will still support Israel.
Hmm, maybe, just maybe world leaders should listen to world's leading experts, you know?
No shit.
BBC doing some honest reporting now that it's too late to stop the Zios.
Nothing more classic than dragging their feet recognizing genocide until "oh shucks, it's to late to do anything; guess we don't have to take any accountability or make difficult decisions now" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In 20 years the BBC will make a documentary narrated in a solemn voice about how a generic "we" failed to stop this.
Is there one for how a generic "we" started it all?
Why do we need experts to remind us of the definition of genocide
Because apparently there are some really, really dumb fuckers out there, and they make decisions for the rest of us.
Fuck Israel. It's time to forget what happened in 1940-45 and realise that Israel is doing the exact thing that the nazis used to do against anyone who they didn't like. Israel does not like any Palestinian. So let's be honest here and forget history for a minute and look at what is happening in Gaza. Hamas is rotten to the core but Israel is looking even worse now. Also, why aren't any Arab countries doing something to end this instead of staying on the sidelines?
why aren’t any Arab countries doing something to end this instead of staying on the sidelines?
CIA's hard work.
I get where you're coming from, but slow your roll on "It's time to forget what happened in 1940-45".
Understanding history is a vital part of not repeating mistakes.
Israel IS repeating what was done in WW2.
Perhaps I was too poetic: that was my point.
You can't point to the IDF and say, 'Hey! Look! See how they're doing the same shit Nazis did??' if people aren't well informed about all the shit that Nazis did.
yeah which is why it's important to remember these things in history
Jesus fucking christ, do you really need to have what he meant spelled out to you in fucking crayon???
He means lets stop allowing them to hide behind 6 million dead people to deflect, or worse, justify, what they are doing today.
Yes, I understand that. Which is why it would be a mistake to forget it.
It's not coincidental that the Holocaust is our most useful case study in understanding and explaining Israel's crimes against Palestinians. If you want to oppose genocide, it is a mistake to try to do so by "forgetting" about a genocide.
Remembering previous genocides is an important part of preventing/halting genocides.
So, you do in fact need the special crayons?
Special crayons?
Is there anything you dont need spoon fed to you?
Israel was always worse than hamas
Also, why aren’t any Arab countries doing something to end this instead of staying on the sidelines?
Because the last time they did, most of the Sinai peninsula ended up under Israeli control.
Well, duh!
"If you want to know who rules over you, just look for who you are not allowed to criticize." - Kevin Alfred Strom
Funny how with any other country the west has a hair trigger with calling out genocide, but Israel gets a free pass somehow.
You're quoting a neonazi white supremacist to assert what? That Israel rules over us?
Come on, that's not a good look is it.
Sorry did not know that was a supremacist. I just remembered that quote from somewhere. Regardless of the source, it rings true. Be it Israel, trump, religion, etc.
Just looked up the Wikipedia article. That guy was seriously fucked up. My bad.
Whoever downvoted you is wrong. You made a mistake, owned up, and learned from it. That is admirable. More power to your elbow, friend. (And always look up the people you're quoting!)
And a pedophile according to Wikipedia.