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[โ€“] mas@jlai.lu 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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Confusionism still has a bright future ahead of it...

You should learn the definition of decentralization, and its application in practice.

[โ€“] ianfraserkrillmaster@midwest.social 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ah yes, supporting corporate-owned social media, the one true revolutionary praxis

Any social media, corporate or otherwise, is gonna be astroturfed to hell these days.

[โ€“] juliebean@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

if you feel that way, i gotta ask, why are you here, instead of reddit, or facebook, or something?

[โ€“] zbyte64@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What the hell do you think federation is? A Trotsky plot?

[โ€“] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is the next argument that you should be the one to centralize everything?

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Full collectivization of production is the Marxist argument.

[โ€“] Smackyroon@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Centralization is the only way to smash the bourgeoisie and build a truly socialist society

[โ€“] knightly@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

Then go back to Reddit.

[โ€“] mas@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A true bourgeois statement

[โ€“] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And who gets to control this new central government?

Will they get to live in lavish accommodations? Will they get to live a standard of living higher than the rest of the proletariat?

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

Marxism has never been about equality of outcome, Marx himself opposed "equalitarians" in his time. Socialism as it exists in real life recognizes the difference between more diffucult, dangerous, risky, etc labor, and often came with higher pay or reduced working hours. The disparity in socialist countries has always been far less than in capitalist countries, even countries that are still socialist but maintain markets at this stage in development like the PRC and Vietnam.

I don't like the way OP is framing it, though. Centralization gives connotations of removing bottom-up input, which is why I like the term collectivization more. Having all of production under the collective banner of the whole society, and resolving the obstacles towards such a society, is the main process of advancing socialism towards communism. This means centralization in that it reduces private and cooperative ownership to nothing, but it also retains room for local sovereignty and input that ladders upwards.