Republicans and Democrats agree: Charlie's body is fantastic at stopping bullets.
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Is this a right wing phenomenon?? More studies are required!
Toilet paper USA confirms that God wanted Charlie Kirk dead so he could use the event to show of his powers a little.
Also confirms that Trump was not miraculous, since his ear didn't catch the bullet that instead went on to nail the guy sitting behind him.
Since that wound healed perfectly in about 4 days, we know it was just strawberry jam and a bandaid. The ear didn't come close.
It's so fucking weird the way they are idolizing him and his death.
Flags at half-staff, people losing their jobs, AI videos of Kirk with Jesus, bills proposing bronze statues of him, and now "his neck miraculously stopped the bullet and saved innocent bystanders"?
Like I know they don't really believe any of it, but it's still so weird. It's getting to be like North Korea levels of kooky.
This is their Blutfahne, their Blood Flag. It's mythmaking - you just have to get people outraged enough and they'll believe pretty much anything they're presented with. I truly believe they had all this in the tank for when Trump keeled over (actually I think they were drawing this up before he nearly bought it in Butler PA), but martyrdom is a POWERFUL force, especially in a critical mass of people who are primed for martyr culture in the way the largely-white-supremacist-flavored American Evangelical communities are. The GOP is pissed that nobody successfully took a shot at Reagan, either Bush, or Trump I, so now they're latching on in an attempt to get SOME gas on the fire before it burns out.
Well in north korea they are forced to worship their great leader and/or don't know anything else. Americans do it for no reason at all.
This is literally physically impossible, by the way, to make comport with the current official story.
There is 0 chance a 30.06 round fired from 150 yards would stop 'just under the skin'.
A 30.06 at 500 yards can blow apart the bones of an elk or moose.
Literally 0 chance that what is being described is physically possible.
Have you seen the ballistics gel videos on YouTube? The entire human head explodes
Yes I've seen it, but that is from a shot hitting roughly dead between the eyes.
Yes, that is what a 30.06 would do had it entered there... but what we are being told is that it entered around where the neck meets the shoulders, on Kirk's left side of his neck.
When bullets of sufficient energy hit a human head, the head tends to basically crack like an egg.
The neck / clavicle region would not... explode to quite that same degree, but the wound should be larger for a 30.06, roughly at least the size of a soft ball should be completely blown out of his neck area.
Uh. No one was standing behind him.
And where was this miracle when all those people were killed around Trump? Did they get medals and statues?
With that logic, God could have stopped it a few inches sooner, but chose not to.
Could have deflected it by few inches and saved him but apparently the guy behind was more worthy of a miracle.
Since these kinds of people love to shoehorn divine intention into everything, what does that specific case mean?
That Kirk was the only person there that God thought needed to die?
Because he was so pro gun violence, it's great this bullet is designed to mushroom, carom off the skeleton, and do a little Fantastic Voyage through his interior systems, eviscerating everything in its wake.
A .30-06 round at 150 yards didn't exit his body. Right.
Haven't watched this frame-by-frame take on the ballistics, but I would think a 30.06 would blow half his neck off. There is a frame I looked for while skimming, and oh yeah, his neck expands.
First time I shot a 30.06 my buddy and I were drilling holes in 3/8", high quality steel. Looked like we used a drill press, wasn't even jagged on the exit side.
Correct, the scenario we are being presented with, with this latest detail, is laughably impossible, if one has any experience with shooting this caliber.
Not implausible.
Impossible.
A straight on shot from a 30.06 at 150 yards, yes, would have blown off a chunk of his neck at least the size of orange, a soft ball.
It is completely impossible that a 30.06 would have just stopped barely under the skin, stopped by a collar bone or vertebrae.
A 30.06 at 150 yards makes entire cinder blocks explode.
No human bone can withstand this intact, none, full stop, this is not a question, a 30.06 at 150 yards has approximately 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy, more than double that of 5.56 at the same range, any human bone a 30.06 hits from 150 yards away would shatter and explode within the body, the bone fragments tearing through the body, probably also erupting out of the skin.
And before anyone comments this: No, Kirk was not wearing body armor, you would have been able to see plate armor on his chest leaving tell tale imprinting signs with that light shirt he was wearing, and you can just literally see his man nipples through the shirt.
Anything less than level 4 plate would have been blown directly through by a 30.06, it would not result in a ricochet into his neck as I keep seeing people say.
(And realistically, level 4 plate might not even hold up to a 30.06 at that range.)
Most of right wing gun tube is currently extremely pissed off over this 'news', as ... they tend to shoot targets on video for a living.
And anyone can go right now and watch them show you how impossible this described scenario is.
This is absolute horseshit, it is an obvious lie.
My immediate assumption was that it was 5.56 or 2.23. No analyzing it in the moment I saw the video, just seemed reasonable at the time. Didn't notice there was no obvious exit wound.
If you showed me that video for the first time and said, "The round was a 30.06.", I'd laugh in your face.
The facts the FBI has presented are laughable on many points. If this guy has a solid lawyer, I can see him sowing a shitload of doubt in the minds of the jurors. As it stands, with what I know in this moment, I'd let him walk. This evidence is far too smelly to be beyond reasonable doubt.
Anyway, I'm off to finally watch that video.
My initial guess was .270 or .243, out of a common bolt action hunting rifle.
Now, I have no fucking clue what has actually happened, all I know is the narrative the government and admin connected right wingers are going with is impossible.
Steve Bannon, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones are all calling bullshit on this as well.
Not that I trust them as reliable sources, but large parts of the right are not buying this either.
If you are going to watch the video, up close, and you have PTSD or cannot handle gore well... fucking be ready.
I had a legit PTSD panic attack watching the fucking geyser of blood leave from his neck.
Its fucking bad, if you've ever seen anything like that in real life.
EDIT
Also, another whole fucking weird oddity is that Robinson's family has not actually gotten him a lawyer.
Robinson is still, right now, trying to get a public attorney assigned to him.
Yeah, thats right, he does not even have any legal counsel at the moment.
Wonder if the Epstein files are thick enough to stop a bullet
As a commemoration release the files and copy them to Mythbusters this.
I mean if it deformed enough to curve into bone I'm pretty sure we don't call it a miracle we call it fluid dynamics.
Either it didn't, and this is a lie, or the bullet that hit Kirk was not a 30.06 from ~150 yards.
Somebody is lying here.
Yes, lower caliber rounds can and do actually do what is being described.
Not a 30.06. A 30.06 will blow apart a cinder block at that range, easily.
A 30.06 at 150 yards has about 2200 FT/LBs of kinetic energy.
A .22lr pistol round is much more likely to do what is being described here... even from less than 50 yards, you're talking more like 100 FT/LBs of KE.
A 9mm at less than 50 yards? Around 250 FT/LBs.
5.56mm? At 150 yards? ~950 FT/LBs.
Again, a 30.06 at 150 yards is ~2200 FT/LBs.
The actual physics of fluid dynamics and composite materials do not work with the scenario we are being told happened.
You know. I hadn't thought about that. I've seen that round hit a deer, and my thinking before was that it instantly killed the deer sort of like Kirk.
But that hole was much bigger and it was knocked clear off its feet. Like it got hit by a car.
Kirk was still sitting upright and the would was far too small.
I'm not a expert, but I know a fair amount. I haven't really gone into any detail examining this though, nor have I kept track of any theories. This guy was familiar with firearms and experienced. I would bet he had access to a loader. Is there a possibility this was a custom load with much less powder than you would normally have? I don't know how little energy you can give a 30.06 and still have a predictable ballistic profile.
30.06 only describes the size though, technically not the amount of energy. Usually rounds will have approximately the same energy, but it all depends on the load.
For a 30.06 round to be packed with so little, or such degraded powder that it would not penetrate through human bone at 150 yards, to even stand a chance at doing what the surgeon has described, it would need to have a KE of roughly less than 200 FT/LBs at 150 yards.
You typically only see that kind of wound behavior when the rounds invovled are roughly at or less than that amount of KE, either low powered pistol rounds, or moderately powered pistol rounds that have travelled a significant distance, or rifle rounds that have travelled a very, very, very significant distances.... or from rounds that are actually ricochets and have thus already bled off a lot of energy, and also likely mass.
What is being described is a straight on shot where the bullet stops 'just under the skin', presumably against the collarbone, possibly against a vertebrae.
No wacky internal terminal ballistics trajectories, no shattered bones, nope, just a bit of skin and soft tissue in the way, under an inch.
Also, no body armor, just a tshirt, no one has yet claimed officially that the shot ricocheted off of either armor or the ground or a wall or anything.
An average 30.06 bullet weighs ~180 grains.
To achieve only 200 FT/LBs of energy in that weight, you are looking at about 700 feet per second of velocity.
The average KE of a normal 30.06 round is around 2,200 FT/LBs at 150 yards of travel, has an average muzzle velocity of about 2700 feet per second.
A normal 30.06 round will have bled off maybe 300 to 400 fps after travelling 150 yards, from air resistance, down to 2300 to 2400 fps.
That means our theoretical underpowered, 180 grain, 30.06 for this scenario has to have a muzzle velocity of around 1000-1100 feet per second, less than half what a 30.06 typically does.
So, there, it would have to be a roughly 1/2 to 1/4 as much powder loaded, potentially also just less potent powder, as compared to a typical 30.06 180 grain round.
Sure would be neat if any of the casings with the messages etched into them....were, you know, photographed, and we could see those photos?
As far as I am aware, no pictures of the shell casings and or unfired cartridges have actually been published.
Hand loaded or custom loaded rounds usually have a number of tell tale signs you can use to differentiate them from factory rounds.
Anyway, reduce the muzzle velocity that drastically and you also drastically reduce the accuracy of the shot.
That likely is not even enough speed for a 30.06 to stabilize in flight, it would be tumbling over or around itself, 'yawing', not remaining stabilized, on point.
The most underpowered 30.06 rounds I am aware of, without going into custom reloaded rounds...
(which no one has yet even officially posited at all, and which there would be physical evidence of, reloading presses / crimpers, and powder stores and such, but they already searched his home and didn't mention any of that)
... are managed recoil training rounds, which fire a 125 grain bullet at approximately 2175 feet per second of muzzle velocity.
Thats about 1300 foot pounds of KE leaving the muzzle (thus between roughly half and a third the recoil, thats why they are training rounds), and after 150 yards of travel, it would have about 830 foot pounds of force, and be travelling at about 1725 feet per second.
Still roughly 4x too much energy to just be gently caught by a bone.
It is certainly possible, arguably even almost easy, for someone with moderate marksman training to make the shot Robinson is purported to have made with a normal 30.06 with a scope.
But uh, reduce the muzzle velocity down by more than half, and there is not a single sniper in the world who would tell you they could make that shot, on the first shot, in one shot, because they know how amazingly innacurate such a shot would be, no matter their shooting technique.
https://www.vcalc.com/wiki/30-06-springfield
Here, theres a bunch of ballistics calculators for you, if you wanna run all the numbers yourself.
I knew it. I knew Charlie's Mom was special.
I suppose it's because you need to have a confirmed miracle in order to have him made a saint.
They 100% are going to use this to try and make him a Saint.
He was 🤏 this close to becoming a Catholic.
But he wasn't. So he's unlikely to be granted sainthood.
Won't stop these mouth breathers from trying.
What surgeon? He was declared at the scene. Are they talking about the coroner?
He was not declared dead at the scene, Trump was actually the person who broke the news that Kirk was dead, about an hour after the shooting, maybe 45 to 30 minutes after Kirk arrived at the hospital... he was reported as in critical condition, but likely already dead...
...but uh yeah, yeah it would be nice to know who this surgeon was, or, you know, maybe get us a fucking autopsy report?
this has literally never happened in the history of sniper shootings so.. add Kirk to the long list of all of them, i guess. what a miracle.
These "journalists" played too much Sniper Elite where you can curve a single bullet to kill 15 nazis standing in a circle.
The invisible man standing behind him was saved.
God sure does move in mysterious ways.