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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

That’s a dumb comparison but I’m all for longer seasons. TNG had like 20 something episodes per. I’m even okay if they aren’t all JJ Abrahms cinematic quality. Bring back cheap TV!

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats the problem with modern trek, that need to be "cinematic". Star Trek doesnt need it, it never did. Some of the best episodes were done on a shoe string budget. Like The Drumhead and Its only a paper moon for example. Its only a paper moon didnt even feature any of the main cast. Thats how good DS9s writing was. Even the side characters got the love from the writers.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Exactly. A lot of those episodes were like little stage plays. Imagine entertaining your audience with just a good story! Those were the days.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's Brannon Braga, if you don't want to click through to the article.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ugh. Thank you for saving me the brain space.

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[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Lots of talk of filler in this thread, and it certainly can be a problem, but there are reasons to watch things other than a serialized plot, and if it's good, it's not filler. Exploring themes and context and setting and characters are perfectly valid, and longer seasons let a show do that. I very much like having at least a few serialized threads running through a show, and characters that never, ever change can be a bit boring, but IMHO the term "filler" gets tossed around much too loosely in a lot of online discourse around genre TV.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

good filler episodes let you advance backstory of all the characters, which is something you may not have space for in the episodes advancing the main plot, so you do actually care about them.

not like strange new worlds (which i do like), where there is this asian woman pilot on the bridge and after 3 seasons i don't even remember her name. i mean wtf is with that?

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One big thing is there are so many more things to watch now that I don’t want to commit to a huge season. I guess I like being a tinder tv slut

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

There's no commit though; don't like it, you can bail and forget about it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Awesome!

Can we now also get rid of the lens flares the dumb pew pew, most of the CGI and action and just get back to well written show episodes where CGI is a lick of paint to make it pretty, not the soup you're eating?

I want TNG style trek, DS9, I want the Orville for star trek!

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm not expecting a return to the old 26 episode seasons, but damn, 15 would be a nice middle ground that would give the season's story arc time to develop and breathe (if it even has one, which I don't think is always necessary, tbh).

10 feels too short.

Besides, it just makes sense, given their goal is to keep people subscribed year-round. If new episodes are only coming out for 2 months of the year, that makes their service a harder sell.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, I'd take only that one show (on a ship)(or space station) and just that show for 20 episodes .

And the things I would do for a directly post DS9 show are.... unspeakable.

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[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

As Ronald D Moore said you can do any genre in Star Trek having longer Seasons gives them more opportunity to have those different genres the shorter seasons and super serialized format taken to the extreme have stripped Away that Swing for the fences mentality that Star Trek once had. Does that mean sometimes you're going to have a bad episode every once in awhile yeah, but it also means that you're going to have great ones.

We all know the perfect balance between episodic and serialized television was Deep Space Nine. Because it had that perfect balance of you could do an episodic swing for the fences story or if you needed to tell a story over you know four or five episodes you could going the extreme one way or the other is always going to be a recipe for disaster.

[–] Humana@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Given the purchase of Paramount by the Ellison family, I unfortunately think we are going to witness the eshitification of Trek in the coming decade 😢

Edit: meaning they will want to remove the "wokeness"

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Enshitification of Trek has already been here for a decade.

It doesn't all happen at once, but in the last decade there's been six new Trek shows and one and half of them have been decent.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Deep space nine type gray areas are a must. Give me a spock by the pale moonlight episode.

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[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For everyone saying this can’t be done anymore, etc. etc. I’d like to introduce you to The Pitt.

They just made fifteen (15!) one-hour episodes with no filler and they will have another 15 ready to show in January - a turnaround time of under 12 months.

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[–] Infynis@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This guy stinks, but I agree that Trek is better with more episodes per season. Bring in more guest writers, and do cheaper episodes. Try weird stuff! Some of the best episodes are just are just two guys, sometimes one's an alien, talking in front of a camera

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The seasons, when they were longer.

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Take it slow, take your time, let us fill in the blanks, give us the journey, let’s grow together.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So long as it doesn't mean adding filler episodes where any changes to the established situation get undone in the last five minutes, yes.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I met my wife on Tinder many years ago 🥲

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also with significantly smaller budgets, please.

It's abundantly clear that bigger budgets just get wasted on creating spectacle. With small budgets the strength has to be in the writing to carry the episodes.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Brits: Must be nice. We get 1 series with like 3 episodes annually and a Christmas special every leap year. Unless it's a panel show or Taskmaster which each have 10 series a year.

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[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Big fat nope. Disagree. The British had it right before. Quality over quantity.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Long form content, in general, seems to be going out of fashion.

It's not just TV. Short articles outperform long deep dives in papers. Same with longer YouTube videos, which extends to the rise of shorts. Mobile and 'short session' games make up a huge chunk of playtime. I'm not sure about 'big' literature, but even fanfiction and amateur works are skewing towards collections of short, fluffy pieces instead of long-form adventures now.

It's not just attention spans or strained attention capacity either; my impression is energy/time levels to devote to that are dropping. I know a working couple with no kids that still transitioned to shorter-form YouTube stuff over TV because they're just too tired from work + basic maintenance.

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