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[–] Dequei@piefed.social 69 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Where I live there is 0 public transport. I charge my EV with my own solar panels. So I think I am okay.

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are way better than the average car owner but it still takes a lot of energy to build an electric car. For the environment it would be even better if the batteries are used in buses and electric bikes, then more people can transport themselves with less pollution.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Of course, but they're doing the best they can.

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[–] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Working from home is the best. Not everyone can do it, but those who can, should be allowed to. Return to office isn’t for us, it’s for them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Working from home is the best.

Very difficult to build class solidarity when you're atomized to the point of not even seeing one another's real faces.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

You don't have to do that at work. You can do that at the library, bar, farmer's market, etc. In fact, I'd rather do it with people near where I live, instead of people that share the other end of my commute.

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[–] Mika@piefed.ca 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bike/Electric scooter + public transport is a peak mobility, but public transport isn't even built for that :(

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fr, if the British gov stopped arresting every one who rides an electric scooter then the bus might actually be an attractive option

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well I mean Ireland doesn't arrest electric scooters but you can't bring them into transport because, ahem, batteries can explode.

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[–] RustlingLeaves@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yes, though not always as accessible.

The problem with electric cars is two fold as far as I understand it:

  • The electricity it uses is not sustainable.
  • It has lots of tracking etc and in some cases remote control.
[–] milkisklim@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While the power source that generated the electricity is not necessarily sustainable, power plants should have more at scale Features to limit the pollutants than a traditional petrol engine.

Or at least the power plants should if one lives in a civilized society....

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[–] schnokobaer@feddit.org 26 points 1 week ago (13 children)

The problem with EVs is that in almost all ways other than local pollution they are just as bad as ICE vehicles. They

  • need massive amounts of asphalted space for roadways and parking
  • use this space very inefficiently and cause traffic congestion at any given spike in traffic
  • drive urban sprawl and thus make housing less sustainable (more sewage,water supply, electric supply, heating, roads/person required)
  • urban sprawl stretches everything far apart and makes public transit much less feasible so people who can't drive cars struggle to get places, for example kids can't walk to school or take public transit, instead must be driven
  • are loud (because tyres rolling is the driving source of noise)
  • are dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists
  • their dangers and tendency to cause traffic congestion inhibit other, more efficient and sustainable modes of transport so that when not regulated properly, they take over all of the streetscape as is evident in most western places
[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is a general complaint about vehicles, not necessarily EVs, and extends to trucks, motorcycles, and basically anything that gives humans more range than their feet.

This position would probably be best directed at the city planning office.

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This is a general complaint about vehicles, not necessarily EVs

Yes, that's like the whole point of my post, being E doesn't fix 90% of the issues caused by individual motorised transport vehicles. And city planning can't do anything about these inherent issues either, they can merely decide to make good, sustainable cities or car friendly cities. Good city planning policies stand in direct contrast to the amount of cars expected to be driven.

And I'm saying this not to shit on EVs, they must clearly replace ICE vehicles as soon as possible, but to warn that they will not fix the unsustainable state of affairs in transportation. Loads of people appear to actually believe they do and that's sort of dangerous. We're not gonna fix jack shit if we just transition these vehicles to being electric while further increasing car dependency and sprawl. We're gonna make it even worse.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tracking is not unique to electric cars, just new cars.

Large power stations are more efficient than small engines.
Many electric car owners also have solar panels.

Refining enough fuel to transport an average car 100km uses enough energy to transport an average electric car 50km. That's just refining, not including searching for or collecting the oil, or transporting the fuel to fuel stations.
It's so much electricity that most oil refineries have dedicated coal or gas power stations.

As long as you are only considering cars, electric cars are superior in almost every way, and are constantly getting better.

A diesel bus is still better than an electric car (although an electric bus would be better still). Trains and trams would be ideal, but require more upfront cost, so are easier for lazy or corrupt politicians to oppose.

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[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago

It's also collectivizing the solution rather than expecting us each to address the problem on an individual level that doesn't change the status quo one iota.

[–] Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (7 children)

What about electric public transit? EV buses are becoming quite popular in Korea.

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (24 children)

My friend’s work is over an hour from his house by public transport—if public transport is working, and it’s a weekday. If it isn’t working well, if it’s late, if it’s a weekend or holiday, then it’s closer to two hours (or more).

It’s 15 minutes max by car.

And he lives in a place with good public transportation.

Until we improve how public transportation runs, so that it really is designed around how people need to get from A to B, cars are going to be the more popular choice.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago

Yes but that is never going to happen without putting restraints on the auto industry, which puts big money into preventing public transit from being built, and if its already exists, to destroy it.

Car culture is killing us. I get you're trying to be pragmatic but more is necessary.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Like ~15 years ago I heard peter singer saying that the emissions from the lifetime use of a car were lower than those from making it, so you should only ever buy a second hand car.

That was before widespread EVs though.

I often wonder how long you have to use a 2nd hand gas car for, before the emissions outstrip those of making a brand new EV.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children)

threeish years apparently, given you run it on green electricity.

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Something even easier to implement than public transit is treating e-scooters and e-bikes like first class citizens. Governments love to restrict their speed to make them uncompetitive with cars without an easy legal alternative.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As a cyclist, electric motorbikes are already a thing and belong in the traffic lanes. I'm not sharing a cycle path with idiots doing 40mph.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yeah in a world where transit isnt a shit show. In my city transit will take you 2 hours to get home when a car will take 20 minutes

[–] valtia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Then you better be advocating for better public transit

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

US public transportation is pathetic, but prior to the 1960's it was quite extensive only to be destroyed by the oil and automobile lobbyists.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes but much less profitable.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Devilish that capitalism has made profitability synonymous with efficiency

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Stupid sexy skeletor

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 12 points 1 week ago (54 children)

Depends on population density. Even if there was passenger train service on the existing lines here, a lot of people would need a vehicle to get to the station, and I don't think public buses / vans could cover all the roads at a reasonable schedule.

But, also, you don't have to get very dense before public transport is better than individual vehicles for intracity trips.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Nothing you do as an individual will ever be as bad as the commercial fishing industry.

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[–] nobody158@r.nf 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would love public transit if it didn't add an hour each way to my commute

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You also need to fix the karen problem that plagues society. I don't like getting called a slur or "go back to where you came from", and its very bad when you're stuck inside the small space as them. (By "karen" I don't mean just white women, but the attitude of some people, anyone can become a karen)

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

A lot of cities were designed around cars. In Cities Skyline you can just bulldoze entire neighbourhoods and completely change the roads and transit. Unfortunately in real life you can't easily bulldoze people's homes, and transit networks can take a decade to build.

Global warming is a problem now, and perfect is the enemy of good enough. We know EVs aren't the ideal solution, but it's important part of a solution that involves improved transit, better quality of life in dense population centers AND EVs for neighbourhoods that were built in a car-centric past. Maybe in 100 years the suburbs won't exist and there won't be any need for cars, but if we wait 100 years to have perfectly designed transit friendly neighbourhoods we'll all be fucked.

Walking/biking > public transportation > used EV > used IC with decent fuel economy > new EV > new or low fuel economy IC.

[–] jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

That's great if public transport goes from near where you are to near where you want to be, in a reasonable time.

For me that's not the case. Anywhere I want to go takes 27 changes over at least 5 hours for a net distance of three miles; it'd be quicker to hop backwards blindfold on a bent pogo stick.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

people who argue for public transport argue for better implementation of it (and also city planning that supports it). the idea isn't for everyone to just stop using cars in favor of public transport even if the public transport system is absolute shit. it's for systemic support of public transport in such a way that commuters would willingly choose it over being stuck in traffic in their little metal boxes for hours.

it's a criticism of the system, not the people.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But I have to be together with people!

I'd rather drive my bike to work.

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