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I read that and I'm not to sure I understand the point the writer is trying to make.
"it is good to lie to the customers if it means selling more plant pulp and less meat"
The author is an evangelical vegan, don't expect any logic beside this.
Oh, I get you.
Honestly, 2025 USA. Our food is surprisingly self regulated.
I mean, before any regulation at all, they put much worse in food to cut costs. At least this isn't horrible for you. I sort of take the labels with a grain of salt.
The bottom line is that labels should not be misleading. I purchased shitty vegan sausages once myself - as it didn't say anything obvious about them not being made of meat.
I honestly don't see why vegans are frothing from their mouths about this one. At the end of the day they claim plant based food is better so I don't understand why they would want it to mimic meat products.
Are you saying that you accidentally bought vegan sausage, thinking you were buying regular sausage?
Yes. It wasn't clearly labelled. It didn't say vegan or anything like that.
Edit: you have an example of misleading label here. Not the same I had displeasure to buy but also not saying anything about being vegan. Quorn is the brand name, consumer does not have to know they don't do meat sausages - and shouldn't have to know, products should be clearly labelled.
I do agree with you that that packaging is misleading. But I do think the issue is the lack of the word "vegan" on the front, not the usage of the word "sausage".
Because this vote basically would require it to change into "cocktail cilinders" or something equally stupid, rather than "vegan cocktail sausages" which imo is much clearer.
Well, possibly, but since the industry is unable to self regulate it must be regulated this way or another.
Sure, but this is part of the industry weaponizing legislation to protect itself, not regulate and benefit consumers.
It shouldn't say vegan on the front, vegan isn't a diet, it's an ethical viewpoint.
It should say plant based or veggie.
Any of those is fine by me, these terms are clear enough. Though I'm pretty sure there is both a vegan diet and a vegan lifestyle.
Why the headline "why this should alarm everyone!" has been so over used and abused that nobody ever gets alarmed again because we're all constantly on alarm mode
Fuck that. If you don't set regulations for what one thing is called, corporations will take advantage of that instantly to sell cheap crap. Regulate food laws. Don't let weird things be called burgers. Let them make up their own name for their processed vegetable matter patties.
There's burgers with all type of meat or fish, why this is not a problem?
Burger describes shape, not what it's made of.
You're talking about a HAMburger.
Hamburgers are named after immigrants from Hamburg Germany.
So no relation to meat at all, unless hamburgers are renowned for packing meat.
They frequently cooked with ground or minced beef. Often put on or in a bun. That eventually evolved into the dish we know today.
I got a hamburger packing meat behind me right now!
Say hi Alfred.
You're talking about a HAMburger.
So you think hamburgers are made of ham?
Thank you for exposing the meat industry! Clearly they're misleading customers too.
Nobody gave a fuck until the meat lobby shaped public perception. Most people only care because they have been manipulated into caring.
Same thing with the dairy lobby. I'm not buying oat milk and thinking "this came from a cow". The fucking performative bullshit the right goes through on a daily basis must be fucking exhausting!
You vil not eat ze processed slop
Based EU for once tbf