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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Woke liberal gay propaganda, obviously.

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[–] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Was expecting a lot of ml / ca rage. Was not disappointet.

[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm from Eastern Europe and not even the hardcore communists here are in favour of Russia's war of aggression. In fact, the only ones in support of closer ties with a nation that has consistently fucked us over are the neo-nazis who want communion with the Russian Orthodox Church.

It's mental to see anyone on the left supporting Russia.

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[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

ml, stand for marxist leninist I guess. But what does ca mean ?

[–] AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don’t know, but saw a lot of tankie stuff from lemmy.ca lately.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I believe Canada.

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[–] b0ber@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (111 children)

The cognitive dissonace hits hard on this one, how dare you join a defensive pact!

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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (12 children)

On 21 December 1991, Boris Yeltsin, President of Russia, sent a letter to NATO asking it to consider accepting Russia as a member of the alliance sometime in the future. In the letter to NATO, Yeltsin stated, "This would contribute to an atmosphere of mutual understanding and trust and would strengthen stability and cooperation on the European continent. We regard this relationship as serious and wish to develop this dialog on all fronts, both on the political and military levels. Today we raise the issue of Russia's membership in NATO, however, we see this as a long-term political goal".

Then, a bunch of stuff happened and both sides realized it was advantageous to not have Russia in NATO. Turns out it's easier to win elections when there's a cold war going on. You can read about it here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93NATO_relations

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

Including Russia in the military alliance meant to safeguard others from Russian aggression seems wild. I know things were very different in 1991 and there were hopes that Russia would become like Western European countries, but it just feels like it would've made NATO pointless and not in the good sense of it not being needed anymore.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Russia wasn't exactly a bastion of stability at that era, especially as Shock Therapy economics absolutely destroyed the country.

Additionally, all these other countries that wanted into NATO vehemently hated Russia for years of occupation. They'd probably have been far more hesitant to join if Russia was in there.

Not saying there wasn't malice on the side of the West, but at no point in NATO's existence had inviting Russia into the fold made any strategic sense.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

at no point in NATO’s existence had inviting Russia into the fold made any strategic sense.

Nato after 1991 also didn't make strategic sense with a crumbled Russia.

What about all other countries not being part of a strong military alliance? Why do only the most prosperous and strong countries feel threatened?

Either dissolving Nato or inviting Russia would have created the opportunity to fully implement the idea of the UN and leave conflicts behind.

The problem is that we also have Capitalism. The UN doesn't limit the power of billionaires. That's fine within the West but the Russians must have objected to being treated like any weak economy. This should be the actual reason why Russia is not part of Nato.

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